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The future of International Students in UK after 2012

Post by za_ha1 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:23 pm

The immigration cuts and strict rules and regulations for minimizing the migration numbers is it justifiable?. The student category has been affected most from it, these policies had made their future ambiguous. The international students are investing £ 10- £30 thousands for studying in UK for a single year for post graduate courses and in return they have to leave the country immediately after their studies. International students are less Privileged from the beginning of their courses as they pay 30- 40% higher fees as compare to Home students. The slogan 'attracting the brightest' is only the cover for protecting the british students from high and intensive global competition. UK education system is not confident enough that their students can survive in this globalization and can they face international students in job markets This is the only main reason international students are pushed to go back from UK. In addition job criteria set for international students is so tough like minimum salary requirement £20.000 per anum, if students can gain the jobs, most of the times companies are not willing to give sponsorships and it has been seen that there is only limited number of visas for students getting jobs. The recent trend has seen that companies are now not willing to give part time jobs to students studying their courses on the other hand. The part time jobs during studies are getting for students, then anyone can imagine how difficult is getting graduate jobs. The UKBA claim that they want to get rid of bogus students but they are making the life worse for genuine students. UKBA should take students out of their hard targets of migration cut offs because they are adding value to your system.

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Post by thebionicredneck2003 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:13 pm

Are you asking a question or making a comment?

Although I am not British and I do not agree with all the current changes, the Government has a right to do what they feel is best for their citizens and their country as immigration has been badly abused.

Sadly, genuine students coming to the UK will probably be unable to get jobs after completion of their study, but remember that coming to the UK is a choice, and you can choose to go to other countries if the policies here are no longer suitable.

In addition, the government is under no obligation to make it easy for foreign nationals especially when you consider the eurozone crisis and the unemployment in the UK. Their first prioirty is to their citizens and we can't blame them for that.

Once again, I don't agree with all the new policies, but I understand the reasoning behind them.

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Re: The future of International Students in UK after 2012

Post by mulderpf » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:34 pm

I do not agree with much of what's been said in here - I think a lot of it's hear-say or generalisations.
za_ha1 wrote:The student category has been affected most from it, these policies had made their future ambiguous.
Depends on how you define most - in terms of % cuts, surely highly skilled economic migrants were hit harder?
za_ha1 wrote:The international students are investing £ 10- £30 thousands for studying in UK for a single year for post graduate courses and in return they have to leave the country immediately after their studies.
Well, isn't that the point? It's a visa to study, not a visa to have a holiday or a visa to work.

Isn't it also fair to say that international students are investing thousands of pounds for studying to better themselves and make a difference anywhere they go (it doesn't have to be the UK).
za_ha1 wrote:International students are less Privileged from the beginning of their courses as they pay 30- 40% higher fees as compare to Home students.
Isn't that the purpose of a government, to look after its own people? Why should the government subsidise foreign students who come here to study and then use their knowledge elsewhere?
za_ha1 wrote:The slogan 'attracting the brightest' is only the cover for protecting the british students from high and intensive global competition. UK education system is not confident enough that their students can survive in this globalization and can they face international students in job markets This is the only main reason international students are pushed to go back from UK.
No, the fact is that more British people have university degrees now than ever before. The graduate job market is already quite watered down with many graduates not being able to find jobs in their selected profession. Add foreign graduates into this mix and things start looking much worse for locals.
za_ha1 wrote:In addition job criteria set for international students is so tough like minimum salary requirement £20.000 per anum,
£20,000 per annum tough for a graduate? That is utter nonsense and absolutely ridiculous when the average salary for an entry level secretary is around this. The average salary for new graduates in 2012 is around £29,000.
za_ha1 wrote: if students can gain the jobs, most of the times companies are not willing to give sponsorships
Is this based on any facts? My company is more than willing to go out their way to sponsor someone who works hard and delivers value.
za_ha1 wrote:The recent trend has seen that companies are now not willing to give part time jobs to students studying their courses on the other hand.
Again, is this based on fact or just a general statement.
za_ha1 wrote:The UKBA claim that they want to get rid of bogus students but they are making the life worse for genuine students. UKBA should take students out of their hard targets of migration cut offs because they are adding value to your system.
Much of your post is about working and finding a job and being able to work once the studying is over, rather than studying. Based on the large number of graduates out of work, it is perfectly sensible for the government to try and ensure a fairer distribution of jobs.

The fact that previous governments thought it was fine to give every graduate the right to work in the country does not make it right (or a right for that matter - it was a privilege which many sought to exploit).

Why should the government try and keep average immigrant students here when there are enough average local students? They are after the talent and as it stands - they will get the talent.

Students have to revisit their expectations - they should be coming here to study, rather than coming here to study in order to work.

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Post by za_ha1 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:18 pm

Students have been always coming to UK for studies, In previous years students can get post study work permits, they practice what they had learnt in UK. If someone is studying law, culture and social structure of UK then whats the point of practicing it in their countries. The important point is to see the other side of coin. UKBA had only shown the damages from massive immigration but didnt mentioned any gain that UK had taken from foreign workers especially international students.

If there are many average british students in UK, does UKBA throw out them from system. Exactly no, because they are UK citizens who are only average. This thing clearly shows that UKBA is not welcoming globalization and protecting their dull minds from global competition. Either more british people have degrees now as compared to the past, it does not mean anything.

The hard facts are still there international students are higher fees as compare to UK citizens, what point you seen in this or why it is happening.

The another fact is that companies are not sponsoring visas if international students got the jobs, i had 20 cases like that.

The reality is that UKBA is applying illegitimate policies and trying to put the blames of failures on the shoulders of immigration.

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Post by mulderpf » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:42 pm

You are confusing UKBA with the government. The UKBA simply follows government policies.

Again, I reiterate - just because something happened in previous years under another government, doesn't mean people should expect it indefinitely. Just because VAT was 17.5% two years ago, doesn't mean I can expect it to always be like that. Things change...

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Post by wpilr_nov12 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:32 am

za_ha1 wrote:Students have been always coming to UK for studies, In previous years students can get post study work permits, they practice what they had learnt in UK. If someone is studying law, culture and social structure of UK then whats the point of practicing it in their countries.
In that case I fail to see the wisdom in coming to UK to study things that cannot be practiced outside of UK.
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