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Permanent residency based on 2 years non-EEA + 3 years EEA

Post by Ana_J » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:00 pm

I have Croatian citizenship and have been working in the UK for the past 2 years under Tier 2.
In July 2013, Croatia will have joined the EU (my Tier 2 would be 2.5 years by then), making my status in the UK a very nicely mixed cocktail.

The UKBA says that "An EEA National who has exercised treaty rights in the UK continuously for five years can apply for Permanent Residence (PR). "

How long do I have to wait then until I can apply for Permanent Residency (and Naturalisation)?

a) 2.5 years on Tier 2 as a non-EEA member + 2.5 more years starting from July 2013 as a EEA citizen

b) 2.5 years on Tier 2 as a non-EEA member + 5 more years as a EEA citizen

Thanks,
Ana

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Post by sheraz7 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:16 pm

Simple answer is no. Because you spent 2.5 years on tier 2 under uk rules. Under eu rules for getting permanent residence you need to strictly be a qualified person for 5 years when croatia will join eu.
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Post by Ana_J » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:32 pm

Thanks sheraz, that does make sense.

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Post by Stefan-TR » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:33 pm

Quote from a sticky thread (Judgement on OFM and on PR finally out):
Obie wrote:The judgement in Czop confirm from the earlier case of Accession state national that residence accured before their state accede to the EU counts towards PR, provided it was in accordance with Article 7 of 2004/38EC.

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Post by Obie » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:56 pm

Stefan-TR wrote:Quote from a sticky thread (Judgement on OFM and on PR finally out):
Obie wrote:The judgement in Czop confirm from the earlier case of Accession state national that residence accured before their state accede to the EU counts towards PR, provided it was in accordance with Article 7 of 2004/38EC.
I agree with the above.
Last edited by Obie on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Post by fysicus » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:57 pm

I don't know the details of the Accession Treaty for Croatia, but I expect that Croatians will be subject to restrictions for at least seven years (like Bulgarians and Romanians now).

This will probably mean you have an automatic right of residence but not an automatic right of work.

And indeed, it would be logical to expect that PR under the EEA rules is only acquired after Croatia is in EU for five years (so mid 2018).

But of course, you can always give it a try and apply for PR three years from now and see what happens. The application is free, after all, and a refusal will not have any negative effect on your status in UK.

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Post by Jambo » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:38 pm

fysicus wrote:This will probably mean you have an automatic right of residence but not an automatic right of work.
Normally (at least this was the case with A8 and A2), you are exempt from work authorisation if you have worked in the UK under the UK immigration rules for at least 1 years before the country joined the EU.
And indeed, it would be logical to expect that PR under the EEA rules is only acquired after Croatia is in EU for five years (so mid 2018).
Maybe logical but the ECJ ruling has said different.

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:14 pm

fysicus wrote:I don't know the details of the Accession Treaty for Croatia, but I expect that Croatians will be subject to restrictions for at least seven years (like Bulgarians and Romanians now).

This will probably mean you have an automatic right of residence but not an automatic right of work.

And indeed, it would be logical to expect that PR under the EEA rules is only acquired after Croatia is in EU for five years (so mid 2018).

But of course, you can always give it a try and apply for PR three years from now and see what happens. The application is free, after all, and a refusal will not have any negative effect on your status in UK.
The proposals are here

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio ... iew=Binary

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:17 pm

Jambo wrote:
fysicus wrote:This will probably mean you have an automatic right of residence but not an automatic right of work.
Normally (at least this was the case with A8 and A2), you are exempt from work authorisation if you have worked in the UK under the UK immigration rules for at least 1 years before the country joined the EU.
And indeed, it would be logical to expect that PR under the EEA rules is only acquired after Croatia is in EU for five years (so mid 2018).
Maybe logical but the ECJ ruling has said different.
These conditions will apply to Croations too.

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Re: Permanent residency based on 2 years non-EEA + 3 years E

Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:21 pm

Ana_J wrote:I have Croatian citizenship and have been working in the UK for the past 2 years under Tier 2.
In July 2013, Croatia will have joined the EU (my Tier 2 would be 2.5 years by then), making my status in the UK a very nicely mixed cocktail.

The UKBA says that "An EEA National who has exercised treaty rights in the UK continuously for five years can apply for Permanent Residence (PR). "

How long do I have to wait then until I can apply for Permanent Residency (and Naturalisation)?

a) 2.5 years on Tier 2 as a non-EEA member + 2.5 more years starting from July 2013 as a EEA citizen

b) 2.5 years on Tier 2 as a non-EEA member + 5 more years as a EEA citizen

Thanks,
Ana
Your post has prompted my to make a sticky for Croatia's accession.
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 721#761721

Thanks for highlightling this issue.

And by the way, it will be 2.5 years after assession if you maintain your status of worker.

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Post by Obie » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:41 pm

I had this Topic on Sticky previously, but it seem to have been take of by one of the moderators.

This issue was settled in that case.
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Re: Permanent residency based on 2 years non-EEA + 3 years E

Post by Ana_J » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:22 pm

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:And by the way, it will be 2.5 years after assession if you maintain your status of worker.
Question:

A Croatian friend of mine has been in the UK for 1 year on Tier 4 student visa + 3 years on Tier 2 worker visa (out of which the last ~2 years have been as an EEA-member since Croatia joined EU in 2013).

That's 4 years of residency with 3 years on work visa, and now has the status of an EU citizen from Croatia with no work restrictions.
So does this mean she can apply for Permanent Residency in:

a) 2 years (student visa time doesn't count towards residency)
b) 1 year (student visa time does count)

Thanks

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