Garda Registration/ Stamp EUFAM

[Humanity]

Currently in Ireland with my wife and son ( both British Citizenz) . Am a non-EU national. Flew via Belfast then Ireland ( that was fun).

The question is, can I just walk in to any Garda immigration to register my existence in the country in order to obtain stamp4u or just do a postal application?

She will be exercising her EU treaty right as self sufficient and durable relationship (Marriage is not straightforward here apparently , you need a PPS number and 3 months notification ).

The whole family posses EHIC card issued in UK. How does that help with the application and ultimately via Surrinder route.

Thanks all.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

I'm confused, you mention wife and durable partner in the same post. What is your marital status?

[Humanity]

I'm confused, you mention wife and durable partner in the same post. What is your marital status?

'Wife to be' got carried away. Fiancee to be precise. We've been together 2 years approximately, managed to gather 18 months documentation that can prove 'durable' relationship.

Am hoping that they might 'over-look' the fact we cant get 2years documentation together with some written some explanations from us .Also a child is involved and we intend on getting married.

[jeupsy]

Also can you confirm that you didn't enter Ireland illegally? I don't really get the Belfast story ... do you mean you came through Belfast from Britain in order to avoid border control when entering the republic?

(not accusing of anything, just making sure we have all the information )

[Humanity]

[quote="jeupsy"]Also can you confirm that you didn't enter Ireland illegally? I don't really get the Belfast story ... do you mean you came through Belfast from Britain in order to avoid border control when entering the republic?

(not accusing of anything, just making sure we have all the information )[/quote

You can draw any conclusion you desire. I entered Ireland with my EU Family with my passport. That's the only requirement needed. I entered legally.

[jeupsy]

Sure no problem, not drawing any conclusions. Since you mentioned Belfast I was confused and just wanted to make sure you are not a visa required national and assumed you could enter Ireland visa free because you are accompanied by your EU partner - that wouldn't have been correct and in that case telling you to apply for the Stamp 4 EUFAM would have been a bad idea and possibly ruined your chances of immigration.

Anyway, then in that case yes as long as you can provide proof of at least 2 years relationship you can apply for a Stamp 4 EUFAM (it is only through postal application and takes 6 months to process, but you will get a temporary Stamp 4 within a month after they receive your complete application). The application for is here with a list of required documents: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form%20E ... %20EU1.pdf

Since you are not married ideally it would be good if you can prove you have been living together for at least 2 years (utility bills sent to the same address, ...).

Your CHild should also make it fairly easy to get it approved but I am not very familiar with how this work so will let other people comment

The EHIC would be any help I think.

[Humanity]

I am a' visa national' and yes I still used just my passport to enter without a visa. The law is a joke. Once you know your rights, the rest is just arguing your case.

that wouldn't have been correct and in that case telling you to apply for the Stamp 4 EUFAM would have been a bad idea and possibly ruined your chances of immigration.

You are wrong, nothing can ruin your immigration chances simply because you didn't choose to apply for a visa under the EU directive. Anyways stick to my original questions and stop deviating. Thanks for the link.

[Brigid from Ireland]

Re: Marriage - you are correct that you need a pps number and 3 months notice here, but the notice may be reduced if there is a reason (the usual reason is that one party is very sick).

It might be best to go to a Garda station to register your presence in the country and ask for the stamp, as this will show that you are open and honest about your presence here. I do not know if you will get the stamp but it is best to be able to show that you are honest about your presence here.

Also, you should go to the social welfare straight after the Garda station and get your pps numbers (for you, for her and for the child). Once you have the pps numbers you should notify your intention to marry. You could email the General Register Office and ask for the three month notice period to be reduced. You need some reason if you ask for the three month period to be reduced - if there is a potential inheritance that could only pass to a child whose parents are married (in your home country) this might be considered a good reason to bring the marriage forward. Once you are married your position is better.

[El shaddai]

It is worth trying but i doubt you will get any stamp from Garda Station. In my own opinion you will need to submit a postal application with correct documents.
But nothing bad to try your luck, who knows?

[Humanity]

Thanks Brigid from Ireland/El shaddai. That was really helpful.

[jeupsy]

Please see here: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Jo ... EU_Citizen

You are visa exempt if you are already holding a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" from another EU country. In that case not problem.
Otherwise it crearly states that you should apply for a visa to Join an EU family member in Ireland.

You are correct that you are free to come to Ireland and settle here with your EU partner and child, but in a number of cases a visa is indeed required.

Again this is just friendly advice to avoid putting yourself in a tricky situation. Think about this: if you show up at the Garda Station to ask for your Stamp 4 EUFAM (which they definitly can't give without prior postal application), what are you going to do if the officer asks you to show you visa for Ireland? Are you really 100% sure that you don't need one?

Anyway ... stopping here if you think my advice is not relevant.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

I'm confused, you mention wife and durable partner in the same post. What is your marital status?

'Wife to be' got carried away. Fiancee to be precise. We've been together 2 years approximately, managed to gather 18 months documentation that can prove 'durable' relationship.

Am hoping that they might 'over-look' the fact we cant get 2years documentation together with some written some explanations from us .Also a child is involved and we intend on getting married.

Please note that if you are not married, your wife to be is an other family member (durable partner). This can be a little more difficult to demonstrate, but given that you have a child, it should not be a problem in the end.

[Brigid from Ireland]

Yes, I think that the presence of a child demonstrates an enduring relationship, so I don't think you will have any problems, even if you are not yet married.

[Humanity]

thanks all.