NQF level 4 Business - buying and selling - a great idea

[Entrepreneur9]

Hello Everyone,

I have completed a general MBA and my specialisation was Marketing and Business Management. I am currently on PSW and wish to switch to Entrepreneur £50000 route. I have registered a company with the company house - XYZ IT Services Ltd and I am a Sales and Marketing Director.

What I am presently doing is - I buy faulty mobile phones and laptops in a lot and then pass them to a repairing shop to fix them all. Once they are fixed, I then sell them individually and make some profit out of it. In future I plan to hire 2 employees who can repair phones and laptops for my company. My question is - can i show this business while applying for the visa? I understand that the business activity is not according to the level of my qualification however my job title is NVQ Level 4 and above (sales and marketing director). Do you all think this would be ok?

If I cannot use the above business plan then can you please help me as to what extra service my business should provide so it falls under that category and also side by side I can continue buying and selling laptops and phones.

PS: I do not have any IT background and have no knowledge in the field. The reason I selected this business is because IT business is usually classed above the level 4 category.

I am really confused and your help would be really appreciated.

Waiting for your favourable response.

God Bless You All !!

[rizwan567]

Other than your job description, the core services your business provides should also be at nvq level 4 or above.

[Entrepreneur9]

Hi rizwan567,

Thank you very much for your reply.

You have cleared my doubt thanks.

Can you please help me and give me some suggestion as to what extra services my business should provide so it falls under nvq level 4 and above so I can also side by side continue buying and selling laptops and phones.

Can I say that I will provide computer maintenance services or yearly health check of computers to small businesses, sole traders and individuals.

I can then get 2 contracts from individual or small business that i will provide them the yearly maintenance service and submit the contracts to UKBA. Do you think if I add this service then it will be considered?

Or can I say that I will supply it equipments- like pc, laptops, smart phones to small businesses, sole traders and individuals ??

Any suggestions ? Please reply my friends.

Thank you in advance.

[smehmood]

Hello Everyone,

I have completed a general MBA and my specialisation was Marketing and Business Management. I am currently on PSW and wish to switch to Entrepreneur £50000 route. I have registered a company with the company house - XYZ IT Services Ltd and I am a Sales and Marketing Director.

What I am presently doing is - I buy faulty mobile phones and laptops in a lot and then pass them to a repairing shop to fix them all. Once they are fixed, I then sell them individually and make some profit out of it. In future I plan to hire 2 employees who can repair phones and laptops for my company. My question is - can i show this business while applying for the visa? I understand that the business activity is not according to the level of my qualification however my job title is NVQ Level 4 and above (sales and marketing director). Do you all think this would be ok?

If I cannot use the above business plan then can you please help me as to what extra service my business should provide so it falls under that category and also side by side I can continue buying and selling laptops and phones.

PS: I do not have any IT background and have no knowledge in the field. The reason I selected this business is because IT business is usually classed above the level 4 category.

I am really confused and your help would be really appreciated.

Waiting for your favourable response.

God Bless You All !!

Hi

I do,nt think your business and your job role will fall in required Criteria

1, You can not be marketing director of your business unless your role is to provide marketing services.

Regards

[Entrepreneur9]

Hi Shaukat,

Thank you very much for your reply.

Yes my role is to provide marketing services for my business. I have a general MBA in marketing and I wish to work in the marketing department.

Any suggestions??

[smehmood]

Hi Shaukat,

Thank you very much for your reply.

Yes my role is to provide marketing services for my business. I have a general MBA in marketing and I wish to work in the marketing department.

Any suggestions??

hi

Please understand what i said. you can not be marketing director of your own business. no matter what is your degree.
also your business and your role which you explained above is not suitable.

Regards

[Entrepreneur9]

Hi Shaukat,

I really appreciate what you are saying.

Its not the question about my degree. I think I can be a marketing director of my own business. I have seen applicants in this forum who have applied as a sales and marketing director and their visa has been approved.

Sales and Marketing Director falls under NVQ Level 6 - SOC Code- 1132.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

Many Thanks

[entrepreneur123]

Before 13-12-12 It was possible to get visa by opening retail business etc but after this date you cannot play with this rule anymore. I know many friends who got visa, opening a retail business using title of Marketing Manager NQF6 etc but new rules after 13-12-12 clearly states that you cannot provide NQF4 or above level service for your own business, as it will account as admining your own business...So service should be for other businesses.

"You must show that you have been working in an occupation which appears on the list of
occupations skilled to National Qualifications Framework level 4 or above, as stated in the
Codes of Practice on our website. “Working” in this context means that the core service your
business provides to its customers or clients involves the business delivering a service in an
occupation at this level. It excludes any work involved in administration, marketing or website"
functions for the business.

Hi Shaukat,

I really appreciate what you are saying.

Its not the question about my degree. I think I can be a marketing director of my own business. I have seen applicants in this forum who have applied as a sales and marketing director and their visa has been approved.

Sales and Marketing Director falls under NVQ Level 6 - SOC Code- 1132.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

Many Thanks

[Entrepreneur9]

Hi entrepreneur123,

You have cleared my doubts. Many Thanks

But any ideas on business plans or job title ???

I really dont understand what type of business i should choose or what sector...

Any suggestions by anyone??

[tikejhya]

Well, are you sure what you are claiming "Enterprenure123". Is it stated in ukba guidance somewhere? looks like its more interpretational. I understand You cannot administer, maintain or work on functions of website. Where? your own company where you build your website from scratch which provide's services OR in others business that does these above maintioned or simillar things.

You cannot run retail such as grocery and off-license but what about IT services who sales domain like godaddy to indivuals and what about Vodafone who sales telephone contract for individuals and what about those Giffgaff, home internet service provider.

I think its upto the one how people write's business plan.

Ofcourse in some extent that is true but i would say it depends upon nature of business.

Please correct if m wrong

Before 13-12-12 It was possible to get visa by opening retail business etc but after this date you cannot play with this rule anymore. I know many friends who got visa, opening a retail business using title of Marketing Manager NQF6 etc but new rules after 13-12-12 clearly states that you cannot provide NQF4 or above level service for your own business, as it will account as admining your own business...So service should be for other businesses.

"You must show that you have been working in an occupation which appears on the list of
occupations skilled to National Qualifications Framework level 4 or above, as stated in the
Codes of Practice on our website. “Working” in this context means that the core service your
business provides to its customers or clients involves the business delivering a service in an
occupation at this level. It excludes any work involved in administration, marketing or website"
functions for the business.

Hi Shaukat,

I really appreciate what you are saying.

Its not the question about my degree. I think I can be a marketing director of my own business. I have seen applicants in this forum who have applied as a sales and marketing director and their visa has been approved.

Sales and Marketing Director falls under NVQ Level 6 - SOC Code- 1132.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

Many Thanks

[Entrepreneur9]

Thats a very good point by "tikejhya".

If I start a company then I would definitely work for my own company. I understand that the work I am doing should be NVQ Level 4 or above.

How can i not provide NVQ Level 4 or above service for my own business??

Any suggestions from the members of the forum will be highly appreciated

Any comments ??

[entrepreneur123]

Services for your own business e.g marketing, website, admin do not count. Yes not all businesses are listed in SOC codes. So its up to you how you explain this to case worker or in your business plan that services that you are providing are NQF 4 or above. Read following paragragh and try to understand it. Core service of your business should be NQF 4 or above. Its from policy guidance not made up by me as you claimed. Good luck with your application.


"You must show that you have been working in an occupation which appears on the list of
occupations skilled to National Qualifications Framework level 4 or above, as stated in the
Codes of Practice on our website. “Working” in this context means that the core service your
business provides to its customers or clients involves the business delivering a service in an
occupation at this level. It excludes any work involved in administration, marketing or website
functions for the business."

Well, are you sure what you are claiming "Enterprenure123". Is it stated in ukba guidance somewhere? looks like its more interpretational. I understand You cannot administer, maintain or work on functions of website. Where? your own company where you build your website from scratch which provide's services OR in others business that does these above maintioned or simillar things.

You cannot run retail such as grocery and off-license but what about IT services who sales domain like godaddy to indivuals and what about Vodafone who sales telephone contract for individuals and what about those Giffgaff, home internet service provider.

I think its upto the one how people write's business plan.

Ofcourse in some extent that is true but i would say it depends upon nature of business.

Please correct if m wrong

Before 13-12-12 It was possible to get visa by opening retail business etc but after this date you cannot play with this rule anymore. I know many friends who got visa, opening a retail business using title of Marketing Manager NQF6 etc but new rules after 13-12-12 clearly states that you cannot provide NQF4 or above level service for your own business, as it will account as admining your own business...So service should be for other businesses.

"You must show that you have been working in an occupation which appears on the list of
occupations skilled to National Qualifications Framework level 4 or above, as stated in the
Codes of Practice on our website. “Working” in this context means that the core service your
business provides to its customers or clients involves the business delivering a service in an
occupation at this level. It excludes any work involved in administration, marketing or website"
functions for the business.

Hi Shaukat,

I really appreciate what you are saying.

Its not the question about my degree. I think I can be a marketing director of my own business. I have seen applicants in this forum who have applied as a sales and marketing director and their visa has been approved.

Sales and Marketing Director falls under NVQ Level 6 - SOC Code- 1132.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

Many Thanks

[shaheenwales12]

hi i applied tier 1 ent through psw route.i have been refused for the same reason. My company is export & import of garments products and i am business development manager. HO mentioned my activities as a business development manager is not reflecting in the business. I am now on appeal and hearing in march. Any suggestion or experience from any one?

[Princess of Ammi]

dear sheen
if I open up a business and I promote and develop it anyway possible is what a business development manger would do in any business but core business activity in your case is selling clothes.

let me give you some idea I feel be helpful for you
selling cloths in a retail shop(is assumed level 3 or under) is different than being supplier to other outlets(is at required level).
it is to with with business plan that you provided to UKVI with you application and the role you have already mentioned in your application. Proving( that you and your lawyer should do) yourself trading as wholesaler and supplier who also imports and exports I think you have bright changes than being recognized a retailer only.

[shaheenwales12]

thanks princess, definitely its gonna help me.Is there any list if different NQF level business in uk? if yes, can u give me the link!! appreciate!!

[joshmathews]

"entrepreneur 9" I agree with what "entrepreneur123" is trying to say here. Services you provide for your own business cant be counted into your own business plan, its the services that you provide to others. In your case, you say you repair laptops and then sell them again, and then also hire 2 employees later, it all sounds good in terms of job creation and company portfolio but you have a MBA in Marketing then how did you learn these skills, HO will ask you that, depends on how you clarify this in your BP. Also opening a retail shop and running it doesnt really count NQF 4 and above, so check into that, rules have changed in the last 2 years as everyone has exploited this flaw.
You can call yourself anything in your company a CEO, COO, Marketing consultant or whatever, it doesnt matter. I could be selling vegetables and since I make the promotional strategy for selling those vegetables, I can call myself a Sales & Marketing Director, that doenst mean you fall under the skilled categories, unless your running something similar to Tesco or Sainsburys where you have 1000s of employees to look after.
You will have to make your BP in such a way that shows you provide IT services rather than repairing and selling stuff. And you need to show how you got those IT skills if you dont have an IT degree. Hope this helps..


[quote="entrepreneur123"]Services for your own business e.g marketing, website, admin do not count. Yes not all businesses are listed in SOC codes. So its up to you how you explain this to case worker or in your business plan that services that you are providing are NQF 4 or above. Read following paragragh and try to understand it. Core service of your business should be NQF 4 or above. Its from policy guidance not made up by me as you claimed. Good luck with your application.


"You must show that you have been working in an occupation which appears on the list of
occupations skilled to National Qualifications Framework level 4 or above, as stated in the
Codes of Practice on our website. “Working” in this context means that the core service your
business provides to its customers or clients involves the business delivering a service in an
occupation at this level. It excludes any work involved in administration, marketing or website
functions for the business."