Best countries for an entry visa

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:04 pm

Hi, to anybody with experience of bringing their non EU souse into the EU do countries tend to ask you to register before the visa will be given (as I've experienced in Netherlands) and which country's immigration have you had the best experience with, I'm thinking of just going to any country that doesn't require registration just to get things sorted out

Post by **sheraz7** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:46 pm

Easiest way to find employer who support your work visa application if you are non-EU national and can include your partner as dependant.

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:14 pm

I'm an EU national, I was just wondering if there was a country that would give my wife a visa without me registering an address and registering with with immigration first, or at least the countries people have had the easiest experience with

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 pm

I am familiar with your story from your other thread. In theory, there is no difference between member states. How is your complaint going?

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:53 pm

I was told it would be pointless objecting against the embassy's decision as they thought my wife was applying for a tourist visa so the objection would be against the rejection of a tourist visa so I was thinking just going to another EU country just to get it sorted so I can be with my wife, but you think they'd all require the EU citizen to register first?

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:59 pm

Stuartb wrote:I'm an EU national, I was just wondering if there was a country that would give my wife a visa without me registering an address and registering with with immigration first, or at least the countries people have had the easiest experience with

Have you ever considered Germany or Sweden? in the past I helped people that were in the same situation like you ( their visa application was refused at the Dutch embassy, then they applied at the Germans consulate as spouse of EEA national and they got it without any problem). Well here is the trick:

- Your wife should book for an appointment at the German or Swedish embassy (To be honest, both Germany and Sweden are laid back with visa of EU spouse)

- Here is the link for the required documents to submit
http://www.swedenabroad.com/en-GB/Embas ... -citizens/

- sometimes they may call her for an interview ( probably because she has a refusal but that has absolutely no impact on the new application), she simply should say that she is accompanying you (EU national) because you are planning to go on holiday to either germany or sweden for 2 weeks something like that.

To make long story short, tell your wife to book an appointment at the German embassy first. I can guarantee you that they will issue Visa C without any problem ( you can also send them an email). Just make sure that she submits all required documents.

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:30 pm

Thanks for the link
It says I'd need to register, does that involve working in Sweden first?

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:10 pm

Stuartb wrote:Thanks for the link
It says I'd need to register, does that involve working in Sweden first?

Nope that is only if you were already settled there more than 3 months. The main purpose of the trip should be tourism ( if you don't want to complicate matters)

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:49 pm

Stuartb wrote:I was told it would be pointless objecting against the embassy's decision as they thought my wife was applying for a tourist visa so the objection would be against the rejection of a tourist visa so I was thinking just going to another EU country just to get it sorted so I can be with my wife, but you think they'd all require the EU citizen to register first?

You need to pursue them. I don't know who gave you this advice.

A short term entry visa must be issued to the family member of an EU national who applies for one. It can be denied in very limited circumstances (the denial as received was illogical).

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:35 am

Stuartb wrote:Thanks for the link
It says I'd need to register, does that involve working in Sweden first?

Hi Stuart,
Today I got a phone call from someone I helped few weeks ago with the visa application ( a spouse of EEA national). Initially, she applied at the French embassy in Dar es Salaam by it was refused. So, I advised them to apply at the German embassy and she had to legalized the marriage certificate. Here we are buumm today she got her visa valid for 90 days multiple entry. I think your wife should give a shot at the German embassy. Good luck

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:44 am

I'm not getting updates here for some reason

here is my current situation
I've signed a contract with a job agency, just worked for a week but been told there's not much work at the moment
I've just signed a rental agreement for a room in Amsterdam for a minimum of 5 months
The IND have told me once I register an address (might be able to get an appointment for the end of the month to do that) and then register with them (probably need a 6 month contract not an agency contract to do that) then my wife can be given an entry visa
I've argued the rules with them so many times and it's got me nowhere
The embassy in Kenya are very unhelpful
I feel like there's no way I can sort out this situation any time soon as there's not really anyone that can help, the people who can do anything are the IND and the embassy in Kenya and they're not cooperating

I feel like this situation is as far as being sorted out as it ever has been and just don't know what to do now

by the way on the German embassy thing, can I be living in Netherlands and my wife apply for an entry visa to Germany as long as I go and meet her in Germany (then go straight back to Netherlands) Is this a good option? Do we need to tell them we're going back to Netherlands, would we need anything other than Marriage certificate (already certified by Netherlands embassy in Kenya and ministry of foreign affairs in Kenya), my wife's passport and a copy of my passport?

Thanks in advance

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Stuartb wrote:I'm not getting updates here for some reason

here is my current situation
I've signed a contract with a job agency, just worked for a week but been told there's not much work at the moment
I've just signed a rental agreement for a room in Amsterdam for a minimum of 5 months
The IND have told me once I register an address (might be able to get an appointment for the end of the month to do that) and then register with them (probably need a 6 month contract not an agency contract to do that) then my wife can be given an entry visa
I've argued the rules with them so many times and it's got me nowhere
The embassy in Kenya are very unhelpful
I feel like there's no way I can sort out this situation any time soon as there's not really anyone that can help, the people who can do anything are the IND and the embassy in Kenya and they're not cooperating

I feel like this situation is as far as being sorted out as it ever has been and just don't know what to do now

by the way on the German embassy thing, can I be living in Netherlands and my wife apply for an entry visa to Germany as long as I go and meet her in Germany (then go straight back to Netherlands) Is this a good option? Do we need to tell them we're going back to Netherlands, would we need anything other than Marriage certificate (already certified by Netherlands embassy in Kenya and ministry of foreign affairs in Kenya), my wife's passport and a copy of my passport?

Thanks in advance

Hi Stuart,
I am sorry to read this sad news. I am ashamed of my country the Netherlands because it is such a beautiful country but the political system is just ridiculous strict. To be honest with you as I know the IND they will just make things difficult for your wife to come, and I dread it may take time to settle the situation. As I know my people they are very proud of themselves, and I don’t think the embassy in Kenya will overturn their decision by just pointing the EU treaty (even though they know damn well that they are totally wrong).
I don’t know why you are complicating matter. As I told you before, tell your wife to book an appointment with the embassy of Germany or Italy (because I have a good experience with both embassies). She can just say that she is accompanying you to Germany or Italy ( you don’t need to tell them that you are going back to the Netherlands as long as you just mention you main destination is Germany that’s it). Once they issue her a visa, she can just come straight to the Netherlands that is not a problem at all. It is possible that they may call her for an interview since there is a refusal stamp on her passport, if it happens she can just say that you are going for holiday with her to Germany or Italy if you decide to apply at the Italian embassy (I will highly recommend you to attach a cover letter wherein you explain that you would like to exercise your treaty right and that the main purpose of your trip is short holiday). Required documents: a legalized Marriage certificate, a certified copy of your passport, her passport. The embassy might ask her to show a proof of hotel reservation to be sure that she is truly going to Germany ( you can book it and cancel later), and it might also happen that they ask for insurance even though they aren’t supposed to but just buy one to not complicate matter ( they often don’t ask that is why you need to attach a cover letter where you explain all these details).
Keep us updated !!!

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:30 pm

But surely if we're saying it's a holiday they'll want proof she'll go back, that's what happened with the Netherlands visa even though we told them it was so she could reside here with me, I thought she had a right to come here once I've exercised my treaty rights, not messing about with hotel bookings etc

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:09 pm

Stuartb wrote:But surely if we're saying it's a holiday they'll want proof she'll go back, that's what happened with the Netherlands visa even though we told them it was so she could reside here with me, I thought she had a right to come here once I've exercised my treaty rights, not messing about with hotel bookings etc

That is not true, if you point it out in your cover letter it should work out. As a matter of fact, you can send them an email to ask which document they require. Just to clear up thing reside and short stay are totally two different things so you shouldn't get confused with that. I said it might happen that they ask you for hotel bookings but that wont be the case if you make it clear in your letter. Anyway it is up to you

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:56 pm

I don't know very much about IND, but is there an appeals process?

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:43 pm

So I should say we plan on residing in Germany?
The IND said it would be pointless appealing as the embassy in Kenya got the type of visa wrong and for the type of visa they assumed it was they were entitled to make that decision, so because they said that I didn't appeal

the hurricane · Post by **the hurricane** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 am

Stuartb wrote:So I should say we plan on residing in Germany?
The IND said it would be pointless appealing as the embassy in Kenya got the type of visa wrong and for the type of visa they assumed it was they were entitled to make that decision, so because they said that I didn't appeal

Yeah, I am damn sure that the embassy did that on purpose. As I said before don't complicate matter, on the form she should tick purpose of the trip tourism that is it. Once she is in Europe you can apply wherever you want. Don't forget to attach a cover letter.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:48 am

Stuartb wrote: The IND said it would be pointless appealing as the embassy in Kenya got the type of visa wrong and for the type of visa they assumed it was they were entitled to make that decision, so because they said that I didn't appeal

You've let them get away with it then. The point of an appeal is that someone independent of the original decision maker looks at the circumstances and makes a decision. The directive gives the right of appeal. This would usually be to a court or tribunal.

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:53 am

Sorry to keep asking but I'm a bit confused, just to clear things up
it's better to ask for a visa to reside or holiday (tourism visa)?
if it's a tourism visa wont they want reasons why she'll return (doesn't really have any)

Stuartb · Post by **Stuartb** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:56 am

but what the IND was saying is that the embassy got the type of visa wrong and with that type of visa they were entitled to make that decsion and appealing would be pointless (I think the people you make the appeal with are a branch of the IND by the way)

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:08 am

I would suggest that you get local assistance, a Dutch friend perhaps? If not a lawyer.

http://www.ind.nl/Pages/default.aspx

There will be an appeals process and it will be independent of the original decision maker. The decision was wrong and so will stand a good chance of success on appeal.

Have you considered re-applying?

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:22 am

@Stuartb, can you continue in your other thread please? There is more information about your case there than in this one.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 3&start=40

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Best countries for an entry visa

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