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Retention of rights in the home country of the EU spouse

Post by enduringdifficulties » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:41 pm

Hi everyone,

I've been married to a Polish and living in Poland for the last 3 years. A couple of weeks ago I have received a rejection to renew my residency on the basis of marriage. 14 days were given to appeal which I have. Now, in the event of getting a negative decision on the appeal, I will no longer be able to work as I'm currently employed on a permanent contract on the basis of being exempted from holding a work permit since I'm married to a Polish.
Is it legal for them to reject my application ?
What safeguards my rights ?
I know that I wouldn't be asked to leave and I have the right to abode even if I have been denied residency, yet, if I lose my job because I'm no longer permitted to work then I will not longer be able to support myself or my family ?

In the even of divorce, can I apply for retention of rights, that is, be able to reside and work as I have been uptil now ?
I would like also to mention that I potentially have a child with a Polish from a previous relationship.

Can anyone who's been in a similar situation or has the knowledge provide me with some advice ?

Thank you

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Post by enduringdifficulties » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:40 am

Nobody knows ?

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:05 pm

You have been married for 3 years and living together, and they refused your RC application? What exactly did they say in the refusal? Why do you think they refused it?

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Post by enduringdifficulties » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:08 pm

In a week from now it will have been 3 years that we've been married, as for living together, I've come across a lot of financial difficulties in the past until I landed myself a stable job that I have had for the last 2 years.
During the interview with my wife, my wife said she was living on a different address than the address of our apartment, she said she was living with her parents and that she moved out about 6 months ago, the interview was in January. She said she was not working and that her parents were looking after her financially, that she doesn't plan to return to me in the nearest future.
As for the reasons for the refusal, they said we weren't living together, we weren't fulfilling our marriage duties towards each other and that my stay in Poland isn't fully dependent on being with my wife.
The law says that there are exemptions for when a couple aren't living together but it doesn't specify in what situation that would be ok. I had 14 days to appeal which I have already but my appeal wasn't really written professionally as I've never had to deal with this type of situation before. In my appeal, I said that we were indeed living together which is the case but not on daily basis, my wife may be living more often at her parents place but we're still a married couple in a long-term, committed and durable relationship, we have no prenup, we're fulfilling our marriage duties towards each other, on the other hand, we have reasons to be living the way we are and that we had the right to choose how to live, my wife living a few days every week with her parents doesn't mean we're not a married couple or not fulfilling our marriage duties towards each other which we actually are. The only thing they had against me is my wife's testimony. They also said that I had provided incorrect info about the address by saying that my wife was living with me while she was living somewhere else. Now I'm waiting for an answer from the head of foreigners' affairs, if he does confirm the negative decision, on that moment I will loose my right to work.
I've never asked for any social help, that's if they have any in Poland, I've always been self-sufficient and committed to my marriage, marriages have their ups and downs, yet, I cease to be a human being who has the right to live just by the fact that they believe my wife and I are only married formally but not a married couple in reality.
They don't care either that I have liabilities towards banks, that I have a permanent job contract, that I have a career and I life. I'm wondering if they expect me to pack my suitcases, I have the right to abode but with a negative decision on my appeal, I loose my right to work.
It's also worth mentioning that according to the polish law, in a few days from today, like I said, it will have been 3 years since I've been married to a Polish citizen which gives me the right to apply for permanent residency, however, not being in possession of a temporary residence I can't apply for permanent.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:20 pm

Has your wife previously worked in a different EU member state before returning to Poland?

What type of residence did you have in Poland?

Why were you renewing it?

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Post by enduringdifficulties » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:09 pm

My wife has previously worked in Italy, Spain & Norway, but we hadn't been together then nor had we been married.
I have been receiving residence for non-EU Polish spouse.
They have been giving me a 1 year residence that I have to renew every year.
I'm trying to relate my situation to my wife being an EU national, not only a Polish national, but I'm not sure how. I do know tho that if my wife were from any country other than Poland, I would have been a family member of an EU citizen and would have received a 5-year residence card, I also know that in the event of divorce or separation, after 3 years of marriage and 1 year lived together I would have the right for retention of residence. What I'm not sure of tho is whether I would have that same right with my wife being Polish.
It is indeed unfair if that wouldn't be the case, nor is it fair when a spouse of an EU national other than poland receives at once a 5-year residence card and a spouse of a polish national gets a 1-year card, maximum a 2-year card. Something is not right here.
I did say in my appeal that I had the same rights as my wife, to live and work, that my rights as a family member and as a human are being breached by their insensitive decision to deny me residence.
As a husband of a polish national I don't even have any preferential treatment, even though I'm a family member, if I were to want citizenship I would have to wait 2 years after having received permanent residency just like refugees.
All I do know now is I'm going to stand up for myself and for my rights, their decision is extremely irresponsible, it's more like asking for the break down of my marriage and life than anything else. I also mentioned that in my appeal.
They know that in a week from today I could apply for permanent residency so maybe that's some reason for them to block my potential application by not giving me residence, but this is about my life and well being and I really am going to fight for my rights through all possible legal channels there is.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:37 am

I doubt anyone here is well versed in Polish national law.

I am not sure what to suggest.

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