ehic for 5 year ???? and PR ??

[poltrade]

I found in eea4 form:
You must provide either a private comprehensive sickness insurance policy document
that covered for medical treatment in the majority of circumstances, or a valid
European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) that covered the 5-year period of residence in
the UK.

and i found also
A statement of intent is not required for persons applying for permanent residence. As such, this is not included on the EEA 3 or EEA 4 form. This is because at the permanent residence documentation stage caseworkers must determine whether the applicant has already acquired a right of permanent residence and a person‟s intentions for the future are, therefore, irrelevant. In these circumstances, it will be sufficient for caseworkers to accept evidence that the applicant has had an EHIC for the duration of his/her five year period of residence preceding the date at which they claim to have acquired a right of permanent residence ....

is this mean if some one have the (ehic) card for 5 year ?? will be accept its by home office and they dont need private insurance ????

[Jambo]

Yes. The EHIC must be a non UK one (this is not clear from the application form).

[poltrade]

Thanks jambo
But can i ask y some thing . How do you know that the EHIC should be non uk one ????
Please do you have reference for that ??

[Jambo]

I don't have a HO document to state that if that is what you are after.

It is just simple logic. A UK EHIC is used to cover you when you travel outside the UK. You are entitled to have it because you are covered by the NHS inside the UK. Surely, if you need to provide health insurance to cover you inside the UK so you don't rely on NHS, then a UK issued EHIC is not suitable. What you need is a EHIC issued by another EU country which covers you when you are outside that country for example in the UK.

The application form has misled several people in the past who all got refused because of submitting a UK issued EHIC. You can search the forum for such cases.

[sheraz7]

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ealthcare/

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK.

You can provide a 'statement of intent' with your application to show that you are in the UK on a temporary basis. You must sign and date the statement, which may include:

information about property or business interests in your home country to which you intend to return; and
details of your family ties in your home country and evidence of visits home.

[poltrade]

Jambo thanks for reply
i got your point .but how you can optain EHIC from diferent country if we stay in uk??? this not logic ????

sheraz you state (If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK).
ok this for person who is applying for eea1 or eea2
but im talking here about eea4
A statement of intent is not required for persons applying for permanent residence. As such, this is not included on the EEA 3 or EEA 4 form. This is because at the permanent residence documentation stage caseworkers must determine whether the applicant has already acquired a right of permanent residence and a person‟s intentions for the future are, therefore, irrelevant. In these circumstances, it will be sufficient for caseworkers to accept evidence that the applicant has had an EHIC for the duration of his/her five year period of residence preceding the date at which they claim to have acquired a right of permanent residence

so mybe for eea4 its ok to use EHIC

[Jambo]

Jambo thanks for reply
i got your point .but how you can optain EHIC from diferent country if we stay in uk??? this not logic ????

Well if you are a EEA national who moved from his home country to the UK, you would probably have EHIC from your home country before moving. Same applies for any family member who lived with the EEA national in the home country before moving to the UK.

sheraz you state (If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK).
ok this for person who is applying for eea1 or eea2
but im talking here about eea4
A statement of intent is not required for persons applying for permanent residence. As such, this is not included on the EEA 3 or EEA 4 form. This is because at the permanent residence documentation stage caseworkers must determine whether the applicant has already acquired a right of permanent residence and a person‟s intentions for the future are, therefore, irrelevant. In these circumstances, it will be sufficient for caseworkers to accept evidence that the applicant has had an EHIC for the duration of his/her five year period of residence preceding the date at which they claim to have acquired a right of permanent residence

so mybe for eea4 its ok to use EHIC

As said, statement of intent is not required. EHIC is OK but it needs to be a non-UK one.

[Obie]

Simple as this. If a person is coming to study, then EHIC is sufficient.

If a person is coming as Self-Sufficient, then an ECHI is not sufficient, as it is envisage that those category of people intent to reside in the memberstate indefinitely.

[wiggsy]

If a person is coming as Self-Sufficient, then an ECHI is not sufficient, as it is envisage that those category of people intent to reside in the memberstate indefinitely.

How about if the EEA national is actually residing in TWO member states - one where he works, and one where he lives the remaining time of the year...

it is clear that you can be resident in two countries at the same time... I don't think that Self Sufficient can be treated any differently to a student.

note: EHIC = European Health INSURANCE Card

[poltrade]

look to this
Evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance
If you are an EEA national in the UK as a student or as a self-sufficient person, you and your sponsored family members must have comprehensive sickness insurance for the duration of your stay in the UK.

If you apply for a document confirming a right of residence for yourself or your family members, as a student or self-sufficient person, then you will need to demonstrate that you have comprehensive sickness insurance on the date we make a decision on your application.

If you apply for a document confirming a right of residence for you or your family members, as a student or self-sufficient person, then If you decide to apply for permanent residence in the UK, you will need to show that you, and any family members if applicable, have held comprehensive sickness insurance throughout the period during which you were residing in the UK as a student or self-sufficient person.

The documents that we accept as proof you have comprehensive sickness insurance are:

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC);
S1;
S2;
S3; or
an original private health insurance policy document


European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK.

You can provide a 'statement of intent' with your application to show that you are in the UK on a temporary basis. You must sign and date the statement, which may include:

information about property or business interests in your home country to which you intend to return; and
details of your family ties in your home country and evidence of visits home.
Statements of intent submitted in support of applications for a document confirming a right of residence are considered on a case by case basis

in ukba site they state diferent type for ehic for diferent type off application for perment card they said just ehic card and they didnt write ( valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK)

for PR they write (The documents that we accept as proof you have comprehensive sickness insurance are:

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC);

do you see the diferent with me

[Jambo]

It this a question?

You asked for advice and got a few views. If you are still not convinced, feel free to apply with a UK issued EHIC and test it yourself.

[wiggsy]

It this a question?

You asked for advice and got a few views. If you are still not convinced, feel free to apply with a UK issued EHIC and test it yourself.

Im certain that a UK issued EHIC wouldnt work... - as such would confirm you have intent on staying perm.

[poltrade]

im just disscussing becouse soon im applying for pr and i will test ehic and we will see how its going on finger cross
who know mybe its will work if not i will apply for eea2 instead

[askmeplz82]

look to this
Evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance
If you are an EEA national in the UK as a student or as a self-sufficient person, you and your sponsored family members must have comprehensive sickness insurance for the duration of your stay in the UK.

If you apply for a document confirming a right of residence for yourself or your family members, as a student or self-sufficient person, then you will need to demonstrate that you have comprehensive sickness insurance on the date we make a decision on your application.

If you apply for a document confirming a right of residence for you or your family members, as a student or self-sufficient person, then If you decide to apply for permanent residence in the UK, you will need to show that you, and any family members if applicable, have held comprehensive sickness insurance throughout the period during which you were residing in the UK as a student or self-sufficient person.

The documents that we accept as proof you have comprehensive sickness insurance are:

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC);
S1;
S2;
S3; or
an original private health insurance policy document


European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK.

You can provide a 'statement of intent' with your application to show that you are in the UK on a temporary basis. You must sign and date the statement, which may include:

information about property or business interests in your home country to which you intend to return; and
details of your family ties in your home country and evidence of visits home.
Statements of intent submitted in support of applications for a document confirming a right of residence are considered on a case by case basis

in ukba site they state diferent type for ehic for diferent type off application for perment card they said just ehic card and they didnt write ( valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK)

for PR they write (The documents that we accept as proof you have comprehensive sickness insurance are:

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC);

do you see the diferent with me

check again.....................

European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
If you are an EEA national and do not intend to remain in the UK on a permanent basis, you can provide an original, valid EHIC issued by an EU member state other than the UK.

until a person has gained permanent residence, they will still be in the UK on a temporary basis

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ealthcare/