Evidences to prove non eea parents dependent status???

[Bigfishchen]

Good morning, everyone. Need some advice please.

I am a uk citizen currently living in uk with my husband and two kids. ( all uk citizens). Eventually I want to bring my non eea parents to uk to stay with me. Apparently it will involve to go to another country to exercise my treaty rights, so I have chosen Ireland.
My question is: what sort of evidences do I need to supply to prove that they depend on me to apply for Irish resident card?

--I don't have any money transfer record.
--However I can get doctor letters from China( where they come from) to prove that they need care.
--I am the only daughter of them.
--I can prove they depend on me in uk. ( cause initial plan is get them in uk on visitor visa, stay for a while, then go to Ireland from uk)

Are these enough or do I have to show that I sent them money on regular basis? If so, for at lest how long?

Thank you for your advices.
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[Brigid from Ireland]

This is the most difficult thing to proove.

Because if you say that you pay money, they say that you can send money to China.

If you say they need care, they say you can pay a carer in China.

So you must say that they need YOU personally to provide care, as their religion and culture and state of health require this care to be provided by the family, not by stranger.

Make sure to include religion, as religion gives you another route of appeal if their residence is questioned. Irish law is strange on religion, it has strong protections to allow you to practice your religion, and if your religion requires you to care for parents, then I would say this in writing.

If you have a parent whose health is poor, and they become confused by strangers, then they need the care of daughter, not the care of strangers, so this is a good point to make.

It is no harm for you to send them money on a regular basis, so I would do this, but it will not be sufficient.

I would get a letter from the doctor in China, to say that a parent is becoming distrustful of strangers due to old age and it is essential to the health of the parent that the daughter be the one to provide care as the daughter is trusted.

I would also budget for the cost of health insurance for the parents in Ireland. Son daughter and grandchildren can buy health insurance if they wish, but do not truly need it as they are covered by public health care in Ireland through their employment. Chinese parents are not covered by public health care, so they need insurance.

[Bigfishchen]

Hello, Brigid, thank you very much for your reply. There are a few more things I'd like to hear your opinions.

--As you know, since we plan to enter Ireland from uk, so we will need to show some evidences that they live with me in the same household in uk and I pay for everything. How do I prove this? I have seen people showing the tenant agreement, but me and my husband own the house. Should we just write a letter to say that we live together or we need to add their name on certain bills? Also how do we prove we pay for daily ecpenses for them in uk?

Thank you again for your opinions!

[Brigid from Ireland]

Paperwork is needed.

You should lodge about 320 euro per week to their bank account when they live with you in the UK. If possible you should get them to open a UK bank account and lodge to their UK account. It is good if they have a UK bank account at your address because this is one proof they live with you. This amount is because the amount a married couple is considered to need in Ireland is 188 for him plus 124 for her per week, so you lodge more than this to show that they will not need to access public funds in Ireland. They need to take some of the money out of the account each week to show that they are spending it, not saving it. Some parents take the money out each week and give it in cash to the daughter to buy their groceries. Others have a bank card on their account and their bank card is used to buy groceries, so this is better because their bank account shows that Grandpa Bigfishchen bought groceries once a week in the UK. This is another proof that he is in the UK and paying for the things he needs from the money you put in his account. Then he takes out the rest in cash and gives it to you to pay ESB...

Then you can add their name to bills like ESB/gas/Phone/council tax. They should join the library if possible and take out books to as their library card is proof they are in the UK. So you create as much paperwork as you can, to show proof that they are living with you in the UK.