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dipmm2000d
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Claiming HB and appeal

Post by dipmm2000d » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:21 am

Hi
I have ilr (10 years)status and have two British child . My wife entered in the uk in 2006 as student dependant but unfortunately her spouse visa was refused under new rule as we do not earn 18600 per year. I appealed against the decision and hearing date is 3rd October.

I am worried about my accomadation and maintenance requirement as we earn only 800 per month. I get housing benefit in my name and recently getting child And working tax credit 143 per week . Also 33.70 child benefit.


I know I can show tax credit and benefit as income under the old rules but what about the HB ? Can accomodation costs be met by HB? Please shed some light on this thanks. HB is on single rate I am gettping thanks .

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Post by Amber » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:19 am

Was your wife a PSW dep prior to applying for flr(m)? Was there any gap between being a PBS dep and applying for flr(m)?
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Post by dipmm2000d » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:05 am

She was on student dependant throughout the period in the uk and our last extension date was 31 January 2012 and leave granted on 30 August 2012.thanks

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Post by dipmm2000d » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

Her flm application date was on 30 October 2012 and got the refusal 21 may 2013.thanks

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Post by Amber » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:52 am

OK, please state your income exactly as following:

Salary per calendar month NET (after tax and deductions)

Child benefit amount per calendar month or 4 week period (state)

Tax credits per calendar month or 4 week period (state)

Housing benefit amount

Actual rent due and number of children you have.

You should be under the old rules thus the £18600 is not applicable, state what I have asked for further calculation.
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Post by dipmm2000d » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:50 pm

We get following:

My income monthly 350
Partner: 450 pm
Child tax 107 p/w
Working tax 36 p/w
Child benefit 33.7 p/w
HB i get 700 and my actual rent is 700 but as I have been awarded tax credit just week ago I did not still inform changes to the council . Once I do I will probably get 550 HB

I have two children aged 5 and 3 . Thanks

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Post by Amber » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:57 pm

This should not even be going to an appeal this should have been reconsidered as the decision maker appears to have erred in their understanding.

Firstly, applicants who were granted leave to enter or remain as a PBS dependant before 9 July 2012, whose PBS partner gained indefinite leave to remain on the basis of long residence can under transitional provisions at A280 (c) apply for further leave under Part 8 of the Immigration Rules.

Therefore the application for FLR(M) made on (INSERT DATE) should have been considered under Part 8 of the immigration rules as per the provisions in A280 (c) and thus, the new financial requirement is not applicable but rather that the applicant is able to adequately maintain and accommodate themselves.

You should set it out as follows:

Following the Upper Tribunal case of Ahmed [benefits; proof of receipt; evidence] Bangladesh [2013] UKUT 84 [IAC] and the Immigration directorate instructions Chapter 8, Section FM 1.7A – Family – Maintenance (click) (include a copy) at page 3, paragraph 5.2 , staff considering an application for entry clearance, leave to remain, further leave to remain or indefinite leave to remain must demonstrate calculations detailing the actual financial position of the applicant/sponsor in all cases that fall for refusal using the following formula:

A – B ≥ C

A minus B is greater than or equal to C.

Where:

A is the projected income (after deduction of income tax and national insurance contributions);

B is what needs to be spent on accommodation; and

C is the amount of Income Support an equivalent British family of that size can receive.

For the purpose of income, benefit income can be used as income as per the Immigration directorate instructions Chapter 8, Section FM 1.7A – Family – Maintenance at page 2, paragraph 5.1(a). No benefit income is said to be excluded in the Immigration directorate instructions. I have calculated all figures as weekly as per the benefit entitlement letters (included). For C, the income support applicable amounts for my family unit, I have used the latest April 2013 income support rates as per the DWP figures (included).

Therefore,

A, income is:
Net Wages = £184.62
Child benefit = £33.70
Child & Working Tax Credits = £143
Housing benefit = £126.92

Total income = £488.24 per week

B, accommodation costs:

Rent = £161.54
Total accommodation costs = £161.54 per week

C, income support applicable amount:

An amount for a couple = £112.55 per week
An amount for 2 children = £65.62 x 2 = £131.24 per week

The total income support applicable amount for my family unit including my partner =£243.79 per week

A at £488.24 – B at £161.54= £326.70

As £326.70 is greater than C at £243.79 I satisfy the requirements as per Ahmed [benefits; proof of receipt; evidence] Bangladesh [2013] UKUT 84 [IAC] and the Immigration directorate instructions Chapter 8, Section FM 1.7A – Family – Maintenance (include a copy) at page 3, paragraph 5.2. Therefore, my application should be granted.

I have supplied enough evidence, and explained the case clearly to show that we satisfy the adequate maintenance and accommodation requirement. Thus the application should be granted immediately.

You should send the above with a copy of all the evidence to the UKBA treasury solicitor and the tribunal service and ask for an immediate reconsideration of your case.
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Post by dipmm2000d » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:22 pm

Thanks Amber for your detailed answer. While I was sending the grounds of appeal I mentioned all the relevant Laws that you mentioned.

I have been asked to send the bundles 5 days before the hearing to the tribunal and solicitor. Do I need to attach a separate letter for reconsideration along with other documents? Thanks

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Post by Amber » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:19 pm

You can send the reconsideration request now in addition to the appeal. The government aims to reduce appeals by giving reconsideration much more consideration.
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Post by z18runway » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:25 pm

hi if the OP
recently getting child And working tax credit 143 per week
if he applied for wife flr(m) in oct 2012, how did he showed his adequate maintenance ?

at that time of application their earnings will be only £800 per month with 2 children ?

when did the OP started getting HB

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Post by Amber » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Regardless, the applicant was under the old rules thus did not have to meet a financial requirement therefore, the decision was wrong.
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Post by dipmm2000d » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:06 pm

z18runway wrote:hi if the OP
recently getting child And working tax credit 143 per week
if he applied for wife flr(m) in oct 2012, how did he showed his adequate maintenance ?

at that time of application their earnings will be only £800 per month with 2 children ?

when did the OP started getting HB
I have shown 3rd party support at that time but now as i am entiled to get the benefit so i dont need 3rd party support though i will have the 3rd party support as well. thanks

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Post by dipmm2000d » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:29 am

Good news Appeal was withdrawn by HO and was asked to send current financial situation by a case worker . I sent them on 7 October and received the approval letter today. Thanks Amber you had been helpful Thanks

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Post by Amber » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:31 am

Congratulations. Your spouse should be able to apply to settle on form SET(M) now by virtue of immigration rule 287(a)(i)(d) and should do this ASAP if she meets the requirements including KoLL - LIUK.
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Post by dipmm2000d » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:45 pm

Will do that soon thanks

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