Refused Family Visit Visa (Twice)

[epson123]

My father-in-law and mother-in-law recently applied for a 3 months family visit visa from Bangladesh.

I have offered full sponsorship to cover *all* expenses flights, food, etc, and they would be staying at my house in the spare double bedroom.

First time the visas were refused, and the explanation letter advised that there were some financial discrepancies (ie extra money going into and out of FIL's bank account) and not being 'convinced' of enough economic ties.

On the receipt of refusal (mid July, 2013), a second application was made (within about a week), a few extra documents were supplied (my newest pay slips, new invitation letter, etc), a covering letter was also submitted going line by line through FIL's bank statements explaining the discrepancies (these were also mentioned in the online application).

This second application was also refused (end of September, 2013, a couple of days ago), the reasons now being:
1- not much new info submitted
2- not being convinced of enough economic ties to Bangladesh
3- not believing FIL would be allowed 3 months holiday from his employer

as for 1- what did they expect, not much time had passed from 1st to 2nd application, any new documentation was provided

for 2- what satisfies this (enough economic ties)?, FIL has a full time job, (part government job - Rural Electrification Board), owns some land, has children (grown up in Bangladesh, and who will be remaining in Bangladesh, ie not visiting)

finally for 3- what!!!, FIL supplied with the application: a letter from Employer stating that he would be given 3 months paid leave starting from either the date of choosing of FIL or from the date of receipt of Visa

the 2nd application was made as there is no appeals process, and we wanted to address the issues raised in the refusal of the 1st application.

Is there a quota or something for visa acceptance/refusals.
Also it seems to me as if they did not want change original decision.

My wife just wants her parents to see their grandchildren, as she has not seen her parents for over 5 years now (Skype excluded), the children are 1yr and 3yrs of age, and I personally do not want my children to go to Bangladesh for the time being, which is why I am happy to pay for all expenses for FIL and MIL to visit us.

Any ideas as to what is going on?

Any ideas on the best course action?

[Lucapooka]

They don't have strong social and economic ties to their homeland and, like so very many people from that country have done in the past, the UKBA suspect they will not leave the UK after their visit. Simple as that!

I feel very sorry for you if they were intending to be genuine visitors. Blame those Bangladeshis who did not return having said they would as much as you would care to blame the very imprecise and unfair policy that filters for this in lieu, or in the absence of, anything about their circumstances that would convince the UKBA to the contrary.

[epson123]

They don't have strong social and economic ties to their homeland and, like so very many people from that country have done in the past, the UKBA suspect they will not leave the UK after their visit. Simple as that!

I feel very sorry for you if they were intending to be genuine visitors. Blame those Bangladeshis who did not return having said they would as much as you would care to blame the very imprecise and unfair policy that filters for this in lieu, or in the absence of, anything about their circumstances that would convince the UKBA to the contrary.

I am not particularly in the business of wanting to blame "those Bangladeshis", as there is not much I can do about that, or any in fact about any *prior* criminal or immoral activities of other people in general.

Though there is a slight possibility of being able to do something (perhaps) about a decision that I have concerns about from a uk government official.

I am eager to hear more on the "circumstances that would convince the UKBA to the contrary".

But at the end of the day, I am only seeking advice on what if anything I can do to proceed forward:

should MIL and FIL go for a 3rd application?
should MIL and FIL apply separately, ie eg MIL applies, assume visa is granted, comes and goes back, then FIL applies for same (obviously not ideal)
should I go for some sort of Human Rights appeal, as I believe that this is the only sort of appeal that one is allowed to make, if so, how would I go about this
are there any other options I am missing, if so, any constructive ideas greatly appreciated

[Lucapooka]

You need to focus on what is theirs rather than what you are able to provide for them. Staggering the applications will not make any difference at this stage; the previous refusals will be significant and that is what you have to overcome.

[vinny]

for 2- what satisfies this (enough economic ties)?, FIL has a full time job, (part government job - Rural Electrification Board), owns some land, has children (grown up in Bangladesh, and who will be remaining in Bangladesh, ie not visiting)

finally for 3- what!!!, FIL supplied with the application: a letter from Employer stating that he would be given 3 months paid leave starting from either the date of choosing of FIL or from the date of receipt of Visa

Doesn't sound like a full time job. Is it a senior position, enabling 3 months flexible absences?

See also Visitors Guidance.

[epson123]

...Doesn't sound like a full time job. Is it a senior position, enabling 3 months flexible absences?

See also Visitors Guidance.

yes, it is a full time permanent job.
no, it is not a senior position.

holiday entitlement (with pay) has accrued for over 17 years, with very little holiday being used up.
A letter was supplied to UKBA (along with the visa application) from the employer stating that 3 months holiday has been granted (what more *proof* is required!, If they did not believe the letter, why not just ring/email the employer for confirmation)