New Immigration Bill and my rights

[nks]

Hello, seems with new proposed immigration bill, right to appeal are cut down to bare minimum 4, all relating to human rights so what happens if a Tier 1 extension application is refused under 'balance of probabilities'? Is option of judicial review still there? Though honestly, I am not even sure of difference between appeal and judicial review.

Thanks,
nks

[vinny]

See also New Immigration Bill: summary of clauses.

[barabashka]

The part of the Bill about the health levy for migrants that already pay taxes in the UK is absolutely unacceptable.
If this Bill becomes a reality, I will be looking for another job outside UK. There is limit for everything. This is not about money, this is about our rights.
The Bill will achieve it's purpose - university lecturers and other skilled workers will leave...

[samira_uk]

There are some points about it:

-They made permanent residency or ILR status as a measure to decide about NHS payments (in their consultation) and they gave many reasons that having ILR status shows that you have contributed enough to the system. My question is that how spouse migrants (in 2 years route) who many of them are not working or working in low skilled jobs contribute more than Tier 1 G visa holders who work in highly skilled jobs with higher income (and certainly higher tax and NI)

-Nothing is done about asylum seeker who even Migration Watch affirms many of them are actually economic migrants and dont have any problem in their own country. They will have right of appeal, free NHS and many other things.

These rules encourage many to become asylum seekers.

UK has the most rubbish immigration system in the world: encourages liars and discourages talented. It is time for them to learn something from Australia.

[navalaviator]

There are some points about it:

-They made permanent residency or ILR status as a measure to decide about NHS payments (in their consultation) and they gave many reasons that having ILR status shows that you have contributed enough to the system. My question is that how spouse migrants (in 2 years route) who many of them are not working or working in low skilled jobs contribute more than Tier 1 G visa holders who work in highly skilled jobs with higher income (and certainly higher tax and NI)

-Nothing is done about asylum seeker who even Migration Watch affirms many of them are actually economic migrants and dont have any problem in their own country. They will have right of appeal, free NHS and many other things.

These rules encourage many to become asylum seekers.

UK has the most rubbish immigration system in the world: encourages liars and discourages talented. It is time for them to learn something from Australia.

You shouldn't forget that those who are on spouse visa are married to British Citizens and hence they are their immediate family members so they are entitled to get free NHS treatment and furthermore most of the spouses who come from abroad are women so most of them give births and for other general health matters they should be given full and free access to the NHS just like their Brit partners and I really admire and appreciate this policy.

Tier 1 G visa holders who work in highly skilled jobs with higher income (and certainly higher tax and NI)

Tier 1 migrants earn astronomical salaries(Doctors,Accountants,IT specialists etc.) so they should pay for the NHS or it will be better if they should be asked to get health insurance before coming here and shouldn't become burden over the system which is already bursting out of its seam.They could have stayed in their own countries and no one pushed them to live here so as now they are here they should obey the rules.

UK has the most rubbish immigration system in the world: encourages liars and discourages talented. It is time for them to learn something from Australia

NO its not and you are trying to propose that they should open their doors for everybody so that people from across the globe come flooding here?
They have to be strict to keep control over the borders and again that's how it should be.

NO one is forced to come to the UK and nobody I assume forced you to leave your country so if you have decided to migrate here then its your OWN decision and you will have to play by the rules set by the authorities and if you are not happy here then NO body will stop you to stay here and will be more then welcomed to leave.

As far as Australia is concerned then they have their own priorities and needs and skill shortages therefore their policies aim to address issues accordingly so if you are assuming that their policies are relaxed to allow more to migrate then probably you are mistaken as their system is not very different from here but in fact much more complicated and twisted.
UK has its own needs and hence its policies reflect the immigration strategy as there are far too many people here for the size of this Great country.

you should be grateful as you have been allowed into this country as its a privilege to be permanent here.They have a full right how to implement policies and rules as its neither your country nor you were born here so you have to follow rules and shouldn't be moaning as again its your own decision to live here.

[navalaviator]

The part of the Bill about the health levy for migrants that already pay taxes in the UK is absolutely unacceptable.
If this Bill becomes a reality, I will be looking for another job outside UK. There is limit for everything. This is not about money, this is about our rights.
The Bill will achieve it's purpose - university lecturers and other skilled workers will leave...

With all due respect why do you think that you should be given full free access to the NHS?
1. Were you born here?
2.Are you a British by birth?
3.Is your home country part of EU?

The part of the Bill about the health levy for migrants that already pay taxes in the UK is absolutely unacceptable.

and why do you think that its unacceptable?You pay taxes because you earn over a certain amount and then that amount goes to pay for your council services,police,fire brigade and people who are unemployed.The taxes which are deducted from your wages are no way near to run the massive NHS machine. Thats how it is here so if you are not content then quietly leave.

I will be looking for another job outside UK. There is limit for everything..

Unfortunately this is not your country so you shouldn't be moaning over the change in policies and you are more then welcome to leave as you have full freedom and liberty to decide whats in your best interest.

The Bill will achieve it's purpose - university lecturers and other skilled workers will leave...

Most probably no one would leave and even if visa fees are set at £3000 per application even then people will continue to come here as this country has the world's top facilities and very high standard of living which is a fruit of centuries of hard work and sacrifices made by its people.

EU citizens have full free NHS access and free movement within the EU and UK as its a completely different story as UK is an EU member and its citizens are entitled to free movement and all the other privileges which the citizens of other EU states are entitled to, they have different trade agreements with each other to fulfill their requirements and goals.

[samira_uk]

There are some points about it:

-They made permanent residency or ILR status as a measure to decide about NHS payments (in their consultation) and they gave many reasons that having ILR status shows that you have contributed enough to the system. My question is that how spouse migrants (in 2 years route) who many of them are not working or working in low skilled jobs contribute more than Tier 1 G visa holders who work in highly skilled jobs with higher income (and certainly higher tax and NI)

-Nothing is done about asylum seeker who even Migration Watch affirms many of them are actually economic migrants and dont have any problem in their own country. They will have right of appeal, free NHS and many other things.

These rules encourage many to become asylum seekers.

UK has the most rubbish immigration system in the world: encourages liars and discourages talented. It is time for them to learn something from Australia.

You shouldn't forget that those who are on spouse visa are married to British Citizens and hence they are their immediate family members so they are entitled to get free NHS treatment and furthermore most of the spouses who come from abroad are women so most of them give births and for other general health matters they should be given full and free access to the NHS just like their Brit partners and I really admire and appreciate this policy.

Tier 1 G visa holders who work in highly skilled jobs with higher income (and certainly higher tax and NI)

Tier 1 migrants earn astronomical salaries(Doctors,Accountants,IT specialists etc.) so they should pay for the NHS or it will be better if they should be asked to get health insurance before coming here and shouldn't become burden over the system which is already bursting out of its seam.They could have stayed in their own countries and no one pushed them to live here so as now they are here they should obey the rules.

UK has the most rubbish immigration system in the world: encourages liars and discourages talented. It is time for them to learn something from Australia

NO its not and you are trying to propose that they should open their doors for everybody so that people from across the globe come flooding here?
They have to be strict to keep control over the borders and again that's how it should be.

NO one is forced to come to the UK and nobody I assume forced you to leave your country so if you have decided to migrate here then its your OWN decision and you will have to play by the rules set by the authorities and if you are not happy here then NO body will stop you to stay here and will be more then welcomed to leave.

As far as Australia is concerned then they have their own priorities and needs and skill shortages therefore their policies aim to address issues accordingly so if you are assuming that their policies are relaxed to allow more to migrate then probably you are mistaken as their system is not very different from here but in fact much more complicated and twisted.
UK has its own needs and hence its policies reflect the immigration strategy as there are far too many people here for the size of this Great country.

you should be grateful as you have been allowed into this country as its a privilege to be permanent here.They have a full right how to implement policies and rules as its neither your country nor you were born here so you have to follow rules and shouldn't be moaning as again its your own decision to live here.

I dont agree with none of your point.

Who said that UK should open the door? I am exactly say opposite. I myself a fan o UKIP as their immigration policy makes sense not this government. Currently, the UK borders are open mate. Wake up. Hundreds of thousand eastern European have come to this country and will continue to come without any restriction. Anyone can claim asylum and become a refugee easily. I know many many low skilled people who became refugee and now access to all benefit, right of work, free education, etc and then you say this country should not open its doors?

What are this country priorities? Asylum seekers? Low skilled and criminals? Why many people risk their life and come from France at the back of lorry to become refugee here? Why they did not want to stay in France or Germany? Because this country is becoming the paradise of asylum seekers. Wake up and see the people in the streets. I've been in this country for 7 years and I feel the changes easily. This country becomes unsafer and getting worse day by day.

But Australia or Canada designed a very good system. Australia sends asylum seekers to another country and give permanent residency to highly skilled people from the very beginning. Here they gave highly skilled Tier 1 general who should extend many times and every day new rules are imposed on them. But in Australia highly skilled migrants are getting Permanent Residency upfront.

I cannot understand why someone in this forum are supporting these populist and rubbish policies and cannot see that many unskilled and liars are immigrating to this country everyday but they only make restriction for talented and skilled migrant. As Farage said: they try to put back the toothpaste to the tube.

It was our decision to come here but we gave up other option, dont forget. We supposed to come here on PBS, we were highly skilled and many other things. But now, you can marry a burglar Bulgarian and all of a sudden you can do anything and access to all benefit.

About NHS and other taxes, again listen to yourself. It seems you are one of those people who thinks ALL migrants are burden on society. With full respect many of British citizens are burden on society mate. We are paying much higher taxes than many UK citizens and then where these taxes are going? Look at government statistics. From about £700bn government budget last year about £210bn is spending on benefits and pensions!!! This country becomes land of lazy people. Have you ever thought why EU cannot pull out of financial crisis? I suggest you to read the book "when the money runs out" by Stephen King who is one of senior managers in HSBC. In 70s, more than 70% of the people worked and 30% were on benefit. Now, about 46% work and 54% on benefit. Day by day more people (and most of them are British) decide to stay at home and live on other people's money. Listen, the tax we are paying is much higher than the service we are receiving. Refer to statistics and not what you read in some yellow newspapers!! This country is spending more everyday and not on infrastructures or capital investments but on lazy non-tax payers voters. Again I refer you to governmental statistics to see rate of emigration in skilled British people are increasing and more talented British graduates are choosing to work abroad especially in US. Why? As they dont want to work hard to make their lazy neighbor able to have iPad. This country will be a socialist state in less than 20 years mate. Wait until that day. Look at best universities, skilled positions in top companies and you hardly see any Briton and all of them are migrants. British people should work and study harder, rely less on benefit and learn to compete in the modern world. Otherwise, they should be thankful to the migrants who left their lives in their own countries to come here, work hard and pay tax. It is you who should be thankful.

Dont forget foundation of this country is based on colonial imperialism in 19th century. Everything is based on glorious Victorian era. Britons were more intelligent in those days and were able to abuse the colonies. On what basis they used (abused) natural resources and labor forces in India and many other colonies? Were they born in India? Were they citizens of those colonies? No, but they were smarter and I dont have any problem about what they did during 18th and 19th century. But face the fact mate. Now the trend is reversed. Britons are less smarter and it is the citizens of ex-colonies who come here, work hard, pay tax and expect good service in return. They have the same right which Britons had in colonial era.

The only point which I agree with you is my decision to come here. And I am thinking everyday to go somewhere else with more friendly policies, lower taxes and better system. I dont want to be taxed 70% in couple of years and see someone who is not working, better off than me and thinks that I am a burden on society.

I dont know if you are British or not. But if I was, I would be dying of disappointment about a country with glorious history and achievement where now becomes land of liars and criminals instead of land of opportunities. When I walking in city of London and see statutes of great Britons I say to myself what would they say if they saw this mess???

Dont fool yourself mate. Wake up and see things more in depth. You are living in the past mate. It is this country's privilege that talented people from around the world came here to have a better life and in return contribute to this system. They are welcomed anywhere else in the world and they will leave whenever they understand that this country does not worth it. You are living in the past my dear. In this modern and mobile world, these are the government and relevant countries who lose at the end not immigrants. Anyone who could absorb the best will win and it is reason that why UK is losing the game badly to Australia and Canada. Those previous colonies are now much more prosperous and wealthier than their mother land. Because they attracted best of best not like the UK with its meaningless policies. Again, wake up. You are living in 1900 and forget that current UK is only a shadow of UK in 1900.

[navalaviator]

Well I don't agree with your essay either

I cannot understand why someone in this forum are supporting these populist and rubbish policies and cannot see that many unskilled and liars are immigrating to this country everyday but they only make restriction for talented and skilled migrant. As Farage said: they try to put back the toothpaste to the tube.

cannot see that many unskilled and liars are immigrating to this country everyday but they only make restriction for talented and skilled migrant

How do you know that people entering in the country are all unskilled and liars?and who has asked all the 'talented' people to come and live here?why do you think all of these so called 'talented' have this fundamental right that they should be put above the law and they shouldn't oblige the law of the land?and all the opolicies should work in their favour so that they become British and can hold a British passport?

For your kind information most of these 'skilled' can't even speak English properly and are working at tills in supermarkets with former HSMP,work permit and current tier 1 etc. and thus making the British citizens unemployed and making it difficult for them to gain employment by raising the bar to have a degree just like the phony degree they carry to enter as talented and skilled

Farage is a politician too and you shouldn't believe him either if you don't trust the current and others, if UKIP gains power they won't stop immigration and will have to keep the modest policies towards the immigration to keep the country going.

With due respect my friend most of your reasoning is based on assumptions and hence is incomprehensible.

many of British citizens are burden on society mate

and why do you think that they are burden?but that's their country so how come they are burden in their own country?so you think that they should throw all of their citizens who are unemployed into the sea?If they are burden then why they are still being paid? UK is their home country and nobody should tell them how to live in their country or access benefits as its a welfare state and takes care of the elderly,poor,ill and those who can't find employment because of this apparently skilled lot here.

Otherwise, they should be thankful to the migrants who left their lives in their own countries to come here, work hard and pay tax

Thankful to the migrants why?you are earning money for yourself mate not for anybody else?when you wake up in the morning to go work then do you have this thought in your mind that you are going to work to support the people of this country and those who are on benefits then I don't really think so and if you do think like that then you are really funny and make me laugh.

Migrants who left their country are not slaves or under forced labor and no one forced them to come and live here or become slaves.If they are skilled and hardworking then should have stayed in their own countries and contributed to the system which gave them skills and opportunity to be called skilled but the situation is entirely opposite.They are all here for good salary, peaceful country and good standard of living which they didn't have back home.

Even though I don't agree with most of your rationale but do agree that there are problems here and this system cannot be absolutely flawless and problem free and do understand that that unemployed shouldn't sit own their backside all day but should try to gain skills to be able to earn on their own and therefore decrease the dependence on the welfare system.

Don't fool yourself mate. Wake up and see things more in depth. You are living in the past mate

I am fully aware of whats going on and I am not a fool so you really need to think on your words the next time you post, I am not living in past and probably watch more news then you and have talked to the politicians and current people who are at the core of policy making so again I am NOT living in past.

You are living in 1900 and forget that current UK is only a shadow of UK in 1900

So why don't you move to your home country then.

[samira_uk]

Where do get this information and statistics?

There are any many Britons who cannot solve a simple mathematic question. This new world does not need someone who can only speak well. You are so proud of your language and it is the reason your industry is shrinking. In less than 20 years you have to learn Chinese and as you are low skilled no one gives you a work visa to China!!!

I referred you to governmental statistics. 46% of Britons work and 54% are on benefit. Have you ever had a look at government spending??? 30% on benefits and about only 7% on defense and security.

Who said that most of Tier 1 General and HSMP holders are doing low skilled jobs? Only Theresa May said that in 2010 and she even did not care about what experts in MAC said about Tier 1 General. only a tiny part of Tier 1 general do low skilled jobs and most of them are on top 5% earners of this country. Please make yourself more familiar with statistics and scientific reasoning.

I can refer you to many statistics and figures by Home Office, Migration Watch and Migration Advisory Committee. Even Tony Blair in his book admitted most of Asylum Seekers are liars and came here to use benefit. Why you dont go to their forum and ask them to leave this country. I agree that we should obey the rule but how could you justify a rule that let ANYONE comes here, tells lie, claims benefits and becomes British Citizen but makes more restriction on Tier 1 General and skilled workers? If it the UK priority I am so sorry for this country then What is the cost of Asylum Seekers for the society? Daily Mail claimed only £540m per year is spending on their housing. And what is the cost of Tier 1 General migrants?

I know the rules should not be designed to give British Citizenship to anyone who came here. But UK rules are designed in the worst way. It gives passport to the least talented and criminal not to the intelligent ones.

You see, I am referring you to right wing and anti immigration newspapers and links and still they are supporting my reasoning.

You did not get my point, I loved UK, its history, its culture and people. I am regretting for this country not myself. I may better off in other countries and for your information I am planning to leave this country to much more welcoming countries. One of them is a tax free paradise called UAE where many of US and British citizens enjoying life there. You may know that in UAE no one can get Citizenship. I dont care because no other foreigner can come there and claim benefit based on lies. So the system is much fairer in my view. I am concerning about fairness of a system. If you dont need migrant, OK it is your decision. Then, close the doors to everyone not only to talented.

I even earned more in my own country but I wanted to live in the UK and be part of its great society. But I now realized that that UK was only a dream and the real UK is now a country welcoming the liars and criminals.

I am telling it for your own sake mate. Britons should wake up, work harder, learn more and dont blame migrant for their own mistakes. I strongly ask you again to read the book "When money runs out". I really enjoyed it. I am leaving this country and will find better places because of my skills. But i see the days that you are waiting in a long queue in front of Indian embassy to get work visa. The country you abused (you were not citizens of India then on what basis you used their labor force and natural resources dude?)

I am reading many newspapers and I am even a subscriber to Daily Telegraph which is right wing newspaper. I am fan of UKIP and it is interesting that I am myself oppose open border and loose immigration policies. I am in favor of proper immigration system which encourages talented to come here, work hard, and integrate to the society not this rubbish system. I myself hate BBC, Guardian and Economist that are only publishing rubbish about poor asylum seekers and beloved in British society (something which I have not ever encountered).

Maybe we have a same goal with different ways.

[samira_uk]

Please read it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html

Then, who is eligible for free NHS? I dont care about paying a levy on NHS but my question is that on what basis and on what reasoning this government does not do anything about these low skilled, unemployed criminals and abusers and only makes life harder for best and most talented migrants?

[dandm]

The reality is that the UK is burdening and creating a hostile environment for its most economically beneficial migrants (non-EU Tier 1, 2 and students) because they are the only ones it can legally attack due to EU restrictions. It sucks and I'm pretty tired of it. I paid almost 70,000 pounds in tax last year, yet I am not allowed access to the NHS. There will be some British born people who do not contribute that much in their lifetime.

Not that I care, really, as I have private insurance anyway and already pay out of my own pocket for the many things it does not cover (private GP visits etc). The NHS is pretty rubbish. But I feel for other migrants in this situation.

The right of appeal is seriously curtailed in that bill too, arguably a more worrying concern.

[askmeplz82]

Where do get this information and statistics?

There are any many Britons who cannot solve a simple mathematic question. This new world does not need someone who can only speak well. You are so proud of your language and it is the reason your industry is shrinking. In less than 20 years you have to learn Chinese and as you are low skilled no one gives you a work visa to China!!!

I referred you to governmental statistics. 46% of Britons work and 54% are on benefit. Have you ever had a look at government spending??? 30% on benefits and about only 7% on defense and security.

Who said that most of Tier 1 General and HSMP holders are doing low skilled jobs? Only Theresa May said that in 2010 and she even did not care about what experts in MAC said about Tier 1 General. only a tiny part of Tier 1 general do low skilled jobs and most of them are on top 5% earners of this country. Please make yourself more familiar with statistics and scientific reasoning.

I can refer you to many statistics and figures by Home Office, Migration Watch and Migration Advisory Committee. Even Tony Blair in his book admitted most of Asylum Seekers are liars and came here to use benefit. Why you dont go to their forum and ask them to leave this country. I agree that we should obey the rule but how could you justify a rule that let ANYONE comes here, tells lie, claims benefits and becomes British Citizen but makes more restriction on Tier 1 General and skilled workers? If it the UK priority I am so sorry for this country then What is the cost of Asylum Seekers for the society? Daily Mail claimed only £540m per year is spending on their housing. And what is the cost of Tier 1 General migrants?

I know the rules should not be designed to give British Citizenship to anyone who came here. But UK rules are designed in the worst way. It gives passport to the least talented and criminal not to the intelligent ones.

You see, I am referring you to right wing and anti immigration newspapers and links and still they are supporting my reasoning.

You did not get my point, I loved UK, its history, its culture and people. I am regretting for this country not myself. I may better off in other countries and for your information I am planning to leave this country to much more welcoming countries. One of them is a tax free paradise called UAE where many of US and British citizens enjoying life there. You may know that in UAE no one can get Citizenship. I dont care because no other foreigner can come there and claim benefit based on lies. So the system is much fairer in my view. I am concerning about fairness of a system. If you dont need migrant, OK it is your decision. Then, close the doors to everyone not only to talented.

I even earned more in my own country but I wanted to live in the UK and be part of its great society. But I now realized that that UK was only a dream and the real UK is now a country welcoming the liars and criminals.

I am telling it for your own sake mate. Britons should wake up, work harder, learn more and dont blame migrant for their own mistakes. I strongly ask you again to read the book "When money runs out". I really enjoyed it. I am leaving this country and will find better places because of my skills. But i see the days that you are waiting in a long queue in front of Indian embassy to get work visa. The country you abused (you were not citizens of India then on what basis you used their labor force and natural resources dude?)

I am reading many newspapers and I am even a subscriber to Daily Telegraph which is right wing newspaper. I am fan of UKIP and it is interesting that I am myself oppose open border and loose immigration policies. I am in favor of proper immigration system which encourages talented to come here, work hard, and integrate to the society not this rubbish system. I myself hate BBC, Guardian and Economist that are only publishing rubbish about poor asylum seekers and beloved in British society (something which I have not ever encountered).

Maybe we have a same goal with different ways.

UKIP

[thebionicredneck2003]

Askmeplz82, this is slightly off topic, but just out of curiosity, can you tell me why you have "Student Visa 2004 - Married to EU national 2009 - EEA2 from 2009" in your signature?

[samira_uk]

The reality is that the UK is burdening and creating a hostile environment for its most economically beneficial migrants (non-EU Tier 1, 2 and students) because they are the only ones it can legally attack due to EU restrictions. It sucks and I'm pretty tired of it. I paid almost 70,000 pounds in tax last year, yet I am not allowed access to the NHS. There will be some British born people who do not contribute that much in their lifetime.

Not that I care, really, as I have private insurance anyway and already pay out of my own pocket for the many things it does not cover (private GP visits etc). The NHS is pretty rubbish. But I feel for other migrants in this situation.

The right of appeal is seriously curtailed in that bill too, arguably a more worrying concern.

I cant agree with you more. Right of appeal is the most dangerous part of this bill. Why Home Office worries about it? If it costs taxpayer ok impose higher fee. It takes time? It is the legal system problem not home office.

But in my opinion the reason is simple: Home Office wants to have a full control over everything without any fear and intervention from courts. They are losing most of the cases and instead of designing better rules, they want to block it completely. We all know that Admin Review is a joke as a colleague checks their work mate job.

I guess all refused should go with judicial review which is much more costly and time consuming.

[nks]

great, so we are coming back to initial intention of this post. So in absence of appeal rights, is the applicant still able to pursue judicial review? How is it different from appeal rights in practice (except the cost part as you mentioned)?

Thanks,
nks

[vinny]

Key aspects of the Immigration Bill:
(i) make millions of private landlords check tenants’ immigration status with fines of £3,000 for non-compliance – in turn, landlords are concerned whether they know enough about checking identity documents
(ii) make people such as students to contribute £200 to the NHS
(iii) make banks run checks against an immigration offender datebase before opening bank accounts
(iv) give more powers for checking the immigration status of driving licence applicants and revoking over stayers’ licences
(vi) use a policy of deport first, appeal later in cases where there is no serious irreversible harm.

Any impact on ILR on any category including long residence?

[navalaviator]

Where do get this information and statistics?

What does it mean?No wonder why you call yourself a professional!!

Dont forget foundation of this country is based on colonial imperialism in 19th century. Everything is based on glorious Victorian era. Britons were more intelligent in those days and were able to abuse the colonies. On what basis they used (abused) natural resources and labor forces in India and many other colonies?

and you still would go to any length to get British passport even though your views reflect your hatred towards this country deep inside your heart now that's called hypocrisy, you would love to have that little red book of magic which does wonders when presented on immigration counters across the globe and make the entry as a walk in the park.

You are an uneducated Briton who can speak well

You have omitted this part from your post!
No I am not uneducated and seems like its you who is illiterate,haughty and conceited as you couldn't come up with a good solid legitimate rationale.

I myself a fan of UKIP as their immigration policy makes sense not this government

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Surprise surprise that you support UKIP!!!you are a migrant yourself and you support right wingers? Best joke of the century. Do you have any idea that what are their policies and what are they campaigning for?Do you have any slight hint that what they are all about and what they are standing up for?Do yourself a favor and go through their manifesto.If they come into power they will not just put a freeze on Immigration but will also stop giving citizenship and you will be the first one who is going to suffer most as you have set your eyes on to British passport which is ridiculous as on one hand you have this hatred deep inside your heart and on other you would love to be called British and hold its passport.you are Hilarious.

Your beliefs are right wing and you are a migrant yourself and political ideology is diabolical and delusional which leads me to draw a conclusion that you are quintessentially hypocrite.

[vinny]

great, so we are coming back to initial intention of this post. So in absence of appeal rights, is the applicant still able to pursue judicial review? How is it different from appeal rights in practice (except the cost part as you mentioned)?

Thanks,
nks

Regarding Appeal rights, Tony Blair made valid comments in 1992.

[navalaviator]

Where do get this information and statistics?

There are any many Britons who cannot solve a simple mathematic question. This new world does not need someone who can only speak well. You are so proud of your language and it is the reason your industry is shrinking. In less than 20 years you have to learn Chinese and as you are low skilled no one gives you a work visa to China!!!
I referred you to governmental statistics. 46% of Britons work and 54% are on benefit. Have you ever had a look at government spending??? 30% on benefits and about only 7% on defense and security.
Who said that most of Tier 1 General and HSMP holders are doing low skilled jobs? Only Theresa May said that in 2010 and she even did not care about what experts in MAC said about Tier 1 General. only a tiny part of Tier 1 general do low skilled jobs and most of them are on top 5% earners of this country. Please make yourself more familiar with statistics and scientific reasoning.
I can refer you to many statistics and figures by Home Office, Migration Watch and Migration Advisory Committee. Even Tony Blair in his book admitted most of Asylum Seekers are liars and came here to use benefit. Why you dont go to their forum and ask them to leave this country. I agree that we should obey the rule but how could you justify a rule that let ANYONE comes here, tells lie, claims benefits and becomes British Citizen but makes more restriction on Tier 1 General and skilled workers? If it the UK priority I am so sorry for this country then What is the cost of Asylum Seekers for the society? Daily Mail claimed only £540m per year is spending on their housing. And what is the cost of Tier 1 General migrants? I know the rules should not be designed to give British Citizenship to anyone who came here. But UK rules are designed in the worst way. It gives passport to the least talented and criminal not to the intelligent ones.You see, I am referring you to right wing and anti immigration newspapers and links and still they are supporting my reasoning.You did not get my point, I loved UK, its history, its culture and people. I am regretting for this country not myself. I may better off in other countries and for your information I am planning to leave this country to much more welcoming countries. One of them is a tax free paradise called UAE where many of US and British citizens enjoying life there. You may know that in UAE no one can get Citizenship. I dont care because no other foreigner can come there and claim benefit based on lies. So the system is much fairer in my view. I am concerning about fairness of a system. If you dont need migrant, OK it is your decision. Then, close the doors to everyone not only to talented.
I even earned more in my own country but I wanted to live in the UK and be part of its great society. But I now realized that that UK was only a dream and the real UK is now a country welcoming the liars and criminals.
I am telling it for your own sake mate. Britons should wake up, work harder, learn more and dont blame migrant for their own mistakes. I strongly ask you again to read the book "When money runs out". I really enjoyed it. I am leaving this country and will find better places because of my skills. But i see the days that you are waiting in a long queue in front of Indian embassy to get work visa. The country you abused (you were not citizens of India then on what basis you used their labor force and natural resources dude?)I am reading many newspapers and I am even a subscriber to Daily Telegraph which is right wing newspaper. I am fan of UKIP and it is interesting that I am myself oppose open border and loose immigration policies. I am in favor of proper immigration system which encourages talented to come here, work hard, and integrate to the society not this rubbish system. I myself hate BBC, Guardian and Economist that are only publishing rubbish about poor asylum seekers and beloved in British society (something which I have not ever encountered).
Maybe we have a same goal with different ways.

There are any many Britons who cannot solve a simple mathematic question

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May I ask you what makes you say that people here can't even solve basic arithmetic? Your whole argument is utter non sense and nothing but based purely on assumptions and is delusional and misleading.

I know the rules should not be designed to give British Citizenship to anyone who came here. But UK rules are designed in the worst way. It gives passport to the least talented and criminal not to the intelligent ones.

Your views are really right wing and you can't see others with passport if you can't get one yourself which means you are only jealous, people work their way up and earn citizenship before they are given as they have to pay hefty fees and are NOT criminals as all checks are done before the grant so do NOT generalize things.you are living on a cuckoo planet and need to come out if this shell you are living in.Its not up to you to decide how the policies should be made and implemented so don't try to be over smart and policy maker.Oxford and Cambridge top brass is out there to make legislation and strategy for decades to come so your right wing dearly beloved views about your own fellow country men won't help at all.


You have apparently this grudge with people who are here and married to BC as they can get citizenship in 2 years but FYI it has changed and its on par with other categories that is 5 years before ILR.

Here is a very good book which you should read and its called ''How to stop moaning in a foreign country for Dummies'' as it might come in handy for you as you have signaled that you will be leaving and going to Australia or Canada, don't worry you will start moaning about their domestic policies again after living there for a while as they are not flawless countries either and grappling with problems of their own.

Their economic policies are geared towards achieving economic prosperity and overall economic strength according to their own needs and always are orientated to work in the best interest of thier citizens so if economy is not working at the optimum levels then the austerity kicks in (just like NHS fees here etc.) and it causes intervention to the standard of life.


I just can't comprehend as why you are so disgruntled and discontent with how things are here as apparently you didn't do your home work before coming here so there is only one solution for your resentment which is Heathrow is the way to go.

[samira_uk]

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I just found out that you are yourself a migrant who were lucky to come here on old marriage law. If you married couple of years late, you would face extensive problems. So, please dont speak about matters when you dont know anything and be happy about your luck. I replied to you based on assumption that you are a British born UK citizen not another foreigner like us. Dont tell me about beloved because it is laughing. It is you who think that someone should access to everything because of his born place or race and not based on his abilities. You are a true dearly beloved.

It seems you are one of those socialists who think being right wing is a disease???? Why you came to UK? UK is the mother of capitalism and entrepreneurship. The current government is a conservative (right wing). Here is nor Cuba or USSR where being right wing is bad thing. You even dont know anything about the country you are going to be its citizen. Capitalism is the most advanced thought in history as in capitalism only and only abilities of a man matter and nothing else. In your socialist state of mind, some junk ideas matter. You close your eyes, fool yourself (read it carefully) and guess everything is fine here. You are very uneducated and illiterate. You even dont know anything about philosophy of a country you are supporting blindly. It is not a surprise as in marriage route you should not have a master degree and high earning. English at A1 level and some photos as evidence of relation were enough I guess you are one of Guardian readers and BBC fans. The book you introduced me speaks by its title. Please read more serious things The fact that I came from another country does not mean that I should accept everything. Maybe you had a very bad situation in your country and there is no other place for you but it is not the case for the likes of me.

About UKIP I know them completely. They are not dearly beloved at all. It is what Guardian and BBC try to say. What do you know about their immigration policies???? Please read again, You are yourself a joke who came to a right wing country (in the UK even Lib Dems are more right than typical right wing parties in France or Germany) and think being right is bad ))
Farage said many times that make restrictions for the best categories of immigrants such as student is only a populist action. He said many times in the past that the problems is not students or worker but the EU migrants and asylum seekers. Yes he wants to freeze citizenship. I dont care if it freezes for everyone. You remembered that I said I want to go to UAE? UAE does not give ILR to anyone but the system is same for everyone. Not like here where least able ones are more privileged! In many countries there is no free health service for anyone not like here that they want to block it to the most economically active migrants and then criminal EU citizens from Romania have access to everything. Again try to understand what I am saying!

About colonism, again you did not get my point. I am shameful that have to explain everything couple of times for you. You based the people rights (for example for NHS) on citizenship and place of birth and I replied if this reasoning is correct on what basis Britons abused their colonies?? Were they citizens of those country? Absolutely no! They could used their colonies because they were smarter and more able and I dont have any problems with this matter (READ IT CAREFULLY). Now the trend is reversed and ex colonies are more smarter and so they have the right to use this country. Nowhere you could find anything of hatred. It is you who dont know anything about philosophy, history, political system and economic system of the UK and support it only because they let you in and think being right is bad (honestly I suggest you to not mention it anywhere else. You will make a joke of yourself. Baroness Thatcher was a right wing hero man)! I guess you are one of those uneducated populists who should work for BBC to deceive people by misrepresentation of the facts and ideas.

Yes, there are many checks have been done on anyone ))). Again refer you to Home Office own statistics. Please try to read more and read scientific facts not junk things. Have you heard of legacy cases where hundreds of thousands asylum cases were granted without any checks as the government wanted to meet its deadline? What do you know about immigration system??

You cannot answer to any of my points which many others in this forum agree with them. You dont understand my point about fairness of the system. I am sorry, I answered to all of your rubbish stories in the previous comments and do not want to waste more time by replying to someone who himself was a lucky person.

Like it or not, Marriage route is the most abusive category to get residency and it is the reason that Home Office made most disastrous changes to it. Many of spouse migrants came here only to get ILR. Read Home Office report about it. It seems that you read the same report about Tier 1 General, but Family route in the view of Home Office is one if the most abusive routes. Sorry mate

So be quiet and mind your own job. And read more. It is the last reply to your rubbish stories. Other users can judge themselves. You yourself is a proof for my reasoning that this system only brings and supports least able migrants. I dont want to make you honored by answering to you. I already replied to you more than enough.

Finally, try to be a nicer citizen, pay your council tax on time and dont make any other problem with police

[peppekalle]

It appears this thread has gone out of topic hopefully the modswill lock it before it goes any further.

[samira_uk]

great, so we are coming back to initial intention of this post. So in absence of appeal rights, is the applicant still able to pursue judicial review? How is it different from appeal rights in practice (except the cost part as you mentioned)?

Thanks,
nks

Regarding Appeal rights, Tony Blair made valid comments in 1992.

Very good. PBS was a creation by Tony Blair who believed visa officers should not impose their subjective judgements in case handling. He even wanted to make ILR and citizenship Point based.

He has many good ideas in immigration and certainly many bad ones.

[samira_uk]

It appears this thread has gone out of topic hopefully the modswill lock it before it goes any further.

I myself ready to remove all of my unnecessary comments.

[askmeplz82]

Askmeplz82, this is slightly off topic, but just out of curiosity, can you tell me why you have "Student Visa 2004 - Married to EU national 2009 - EEA2 from 2009" in your signature?

well that's my immigration history :

[navalaviator]

Finally, try to be a nicer citizen, pay council tax on time and dont make any other problem with police .

You have got absolutely NOTHING to do with my personal life so stop reading my posts as I am NOT allowing you to go through my posts and thats one thing so don't comment on it and better stay within your limits and take care of your own business.Again you couldn't come up with something worthwhile and legitimate rationale so you have started these personal attacks,you are a typical fresh off the boat.

I could've said alot more to you after going through your previous posts but I don't want to go at your level.

So be quiet and mind your own job. And read more. It is the last reply to your rubbish stories. Other users can judge themselves. You yourself is a proof for my reasoning that this system only brings and supports least able migrants. I don't want to make you honored by answering to you. I already replied to you more than enough.

Yeah yeah whatever and we know how philosophical you are!you are just another fresh just off the boat (freshy to be more precise) who is pretending to be posh so stop pretending to be someone who you are NOT.

I just found out that you are yourself a migrant who were lucky to come here on old marriage law

Yeah at last after reading all my posts and ridiculously long winded waste of time essays well done you have finally realized that I am migrant llike yourself but not someone who has diabolical and delusional views like yourself
It really reflects that how professional you are.

You assume too many things and again and again in your last post you have referred me to as an uneducated and illiterate just because I do NOT support right wing policies as you do and have different popular view which causes you to spiral out of control which is outrageous and NOT acceptable and you are crying like a 2 years old.

You are forgetting that here in this country there is something called freedom of speech which you seem to have difficulty understanding and struggling to get the whole idea.

Don't dare call me uneducated and illiterate as these are your attributes and for your information am a UK university Graduate and qualified chartered accountant.

Most probably you have come from Pakistan and now here You support UKIP who hates immigrants and you being a migrant yourself support far right wing parties which certainly is a big joke and making fool out of yourself so if you don't understand any thing then keep your gob shut.

Anything you will say in you next post will be Completely ignored as you are NOT worth talk toand not going burn any more energy on this utterly non sense argument and my next posts should be assumed as WHATEVER as you assume many things.