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Refussal due to SOC code understanding by case worker

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Refussal due to SOC code understanding by case worker

Post by Kwinkal » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:08 pm

Hi All,

My application for Tier 1 Entrepreneur and it got refused for some silly reason as per my understanding. Case worker refused my application stating that you have provided no suitable evidence, as specified under Appendix A of the Immigration Rules. As a result, We cannot tell whether the occupation in which you are engaged in business activity is at the required level.

I have used following information as per SOC.

Job title used : Supply Chain and procurement Consultant
SOC code used : 2423

as per SOC case worker mentioned all job description of SOC 2423 and related job titles which are

1. Business Adviser
2. Business Consultant
3. Business Continuity Manager

Also I have provided all required documents which are

1. CV - Which shows all my previous experience in UK and abroad.
2. Business Plan - With all detail of company service which matches with above SOC code job description case worker mentioned in refusal letter and my role in company.
3. Company Website - Almost same information as Business plan
4. Advertisement - Which shows clearly main activity of SOC job description
5. Social media profiles and detail of business activity
6. Fair trade registration
7. My Trade registration for my services
8. More or less contract with all my services to company from which I have contract.

I think he just get confused over business consultant and supply chain and procurement consultant (part of business consultant but in specific area of business consultancy)

I got appeal and will need to do it in 10 working days.. Gurus and experienced applicant having same issue could you please guide me what to do?

Thanks and sorry for long message but wanted to be clear enough for you guys..

Kwinkal

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Post by top » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:17 pm

if you tell us the nature of the services your company provides to clients rather than what your services to your company are, you can be told in minutes where fault is..

thanks..

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Post by Kwinkal » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:42 pm

top wrote:if you tell us the nature of the services your company provides to clients rather than what your services to your company are, you can be told in minutes where fault is..

thanks..
Thanks Top,

Nature of services to client will be as below.

Supply Chain Strategy, improvement and outsourcing: Our services within Supply Chain Strategy, improvement and outsourcing broadly cover Strategic Planning, Supply Chain Modelling and Design, Inventory Management and Transport and Distribution Strategy.

The development of supply chain strategy will often follow a fundamental model. This will include a detailed analysis of the client’s business model; markets served and product, customer and supplier profiles. The results of this analysis will then be used to understand the problem before developing relevant strategies and solutions.

This is just overall information.. in short my company will provide client service to improve and or solve their supply chain and procurement related problems.

Thanks
Kwinkal

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Post by top » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:54 pm

okay if I need you I would need you to improve and or solve my supply chain and procurement related problems for!! Sounds Good & Comprehensive

now can you tell your clients nature(or would it be more appropriate type of business) of business you provide services to? for instance my business what business I would be having, having you for my above mentioned problems what you would do for me I can understand I can not understand what business it would be I am in.

sorry bit weird way asking !!! hope you do not mind Im tryna identify the problem same way your case worker has worked it out!!

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Post by Kwinkal » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:03 pm

top wrote:okay if I need you I would need you to improve and or solve my supply chain and procurement related problems for!! Sounds Good & Comprehensive

now can you tell your clients nature of business you provide services to? for instance my business what business I would be having, having you for my above mentioned problems.

sorry bit weird way asking !!! hope you do not mind Im tryna identify the problem same way your case worker has worked it out!!
No problem Top.. Thanks for your concern to find root cause and to provide me solution..

Currently our main target clients are SME manufacturing and FMCG companies.. Their business might be producing foods, any small product like bottles or machines or cars in manufacturing sector and their required need help might be to improve their supply chain - procurement strategy which can lead them to more profit..

Or as for FMCG companies to improve their fundamental demand planning or supply chain model or warehousing layouts or logistic management.

These are just examples but it could be various other factors why client would take my services.

Thanks
Kwinkal

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Post by top » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:16 pm

now let me ask you an other question please

what evidences to what you do for clients (having you company upfront) did you provide at the time of application?

if I guess I would say it must have been one or more signed contracts with your clients(or potential clients) stating the services that you are providing or will provide to these clients, can I have some of those words that you used, tailing the services that you have,are or would provide, can I also know if you had provided any of those mentioned services (of which record you have )before you submitted your visa application?

sorry again for being weird !!

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Post by Kwinkal » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:20 pm

top wrote:now let me ask you an other question please

what evidences to what you do for clients (having you company upfront) did you provide at the time of application?

if I guess I would say it must have been one or more signed contracts with your clients(or potential clients) stating the services that you are providing or will provide to these clients, can I have some of those words that you used, tailing the services that you have,are or would provide, can I also know if you had provided any of those mentioned services (of which record you have )before you submitted your visa application?

sorry again for being weird !!
Please find detail below contract services I will provide to one charity company..

• Research of venues for all events across a year
• Prepare estimated budgets and communicate budgetary information to client and program manager throughout the purchasing process
• Utilise preferred vendors for quality of service, minimise risk and maximum pricing advantage
• Initiate vendor contact for information and pricing on assigned meetings using RFP tool
• Maintain the highest level of quality, professionalism and integrity when negotiating with suppliers
• Follow, understand and able to communicate SOPs and policies to client
• Negotiate all supplier contracts for the best possible prices and concessions in order to meet client’s expectation of savings on meeting spend
• Keep vendors up-to-date on proposal status. Block appropriate space and release all space not needed on a timely basis
• Keep abreast of new destination options, well-priced seasonal destination options and “hot date” offerings
• Co-ordinate site inspections with suppliers, client and program manager.
• Enter and update meeting information in meetings management technology. Keep database and savings information accurate
• Monitor cancellation penalties for re-book opportunities
• Adhere to all deadlines and turnaround times
• Develop and maintain relationship with meetings clients to ensure repeat and new business
• Participate in strategic sourcing initiatives

but these are main duties I will do for them as consultant after find out their main issue and analysing their issue.. They finalised above main work I will do for them..

Thanks Kwinkal

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Post by Kwinkal » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:23 pm

I have not provided these services under my own company but as a contractor/consultant.. I had done it during my stay in UK.. I had been working for top FMCG company to provide such kind of services..

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Post by top » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:28 pm

I am sorry but you did not pay attention whilst making answer to my last question, answer would have been different otherwise. read it through more than once if possible I persist please


now in view of your last answer situation does not seem staying blurry for long..

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Post by ishfaqsangra » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:47 pm

top wrote:I am sorry but you did not pay attention whilst making answer to my last question, answer would have been different otherwise. read it through more than once if possible I persist please


now in view of your last answer situation does not seem staying blurry for long..
I don't think if someone is providing consultancy/advise to fish and chip shop will qualify ,no matte if it is about their supply chain or anything else.(not for you just explanation dear)
They are not considering your title only but the nature of business to whom you are providing services.

For instance,,,If I m Consultant and I am providing services to GP practice management which is at level 4 then definitely my core services are at level 4,and if I am providing services to an investment company I think it would be at level 6,,thats what I understood after spending so much time.

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Post by Legal83 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:43 pm

consult any good lawyer, you can easily win the case.

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Re: Refussal due to SOC code understanding by case worker

Post by RizKCB » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:37 pm

Kwinkal wrote:Hi All,

Job title used : Supply Chain and procurement Consultant
SOC code used : 2423

Kwinkal
Only one question: In which version of SOC Volumes, SOC 2423 is Supply Chain and procurement Consultant ?

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Re: Refussal due to SOC code understanding by case worker

Post by Lola22 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:51 pm

Yeah, I guess you might have made the caseworker a little bit confused. Please, get a good solicitor to help you with you appeal and please narrow whatever business activities you do for now. Once you get your visa you can then introduce or develop more ideas or activities.

Good luck.

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Post by SJ555 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:46 pm

Codes of Practice for Skilled Workers page 4

In the case of post-study workers switching to Tier 1 (Entrepreneur), the references to recruiting for jobs will not be relevant, but the code of practice must still be used by applicants to check that they are working at the necessary skill level (National Qualification Framework (NQF) 4 or above).

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