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UK Visit Visa Refused twice!

Post by Sultan555 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:20 am

Hi all! I applied for UK Visit visa in June 2013 and it got refused as, according to ECO, I didn't show strong ties to the country and have not shown the circumstances of my mother whom I am dependent on. I again applied with more supporting documents in August 2013 and it also got refused. Here's what the ECO states this time:

The Decision
You have stated that you are a student and reliant upon your mother to support you, and from the documents that you have provided I am satisfied that this is the case. However, you have provided no evidence of your mothers ongoing financial circumstances, and in the absence of such evidence, I am unable to establish how she is able to support you as you have stated. I note that she has provided evidence of long term fixed deposits in the form of national savings certificates, however there is no evidence to demonstrate that these are accessible to you at this present time or that they have not been liquidated prior to this application being submitted for a cause separate to this application; or that these certificates are able to be liquidated prior to the commencement of your proposed visit. I am not satisfied that your financial circumstances in Pakistan are as you have set out. You are unmarried and have evidenced no dependent family members in Pakistan. Given all of this and the documentation before me regarding your circumstances in Pakistan, I consider there is little to encourage you to leave upon completion of your visit. All of this means that, on the balance of probabilities, I am not satisfied that you have accurately presented your circumstances or intentions in wishing to visit the UK now. I am not satisfied that you are genuinely seeking entry as a visitor or that you intend to leave the UK on completion of your visit. Finally, I am not satisfied that you can meet the cost of the return or onward journey.

Now Here's what I submitted along-with my application:
1- Character Certificate from my University, showing that I am the student of the university and I will be on summer vacation during my visit to the UK.

2- English Translation of Certification of possession of Agriculture Land that I have inherited from my father.

3- Letter of invitation from my sister who was fully sponsoring my visit along with the copies of her payslips, tenancy agreement and residence permit.

As I am dependent on my mother, who is a house wife and a widow, I showed all the income sources such as:
1- Copy of pension book showing monthly pension.
2- Rent deed of house given on rent.
3- Certificates of investments in National Savings Scheme show the amount invested and showing the monthly profit received.
4- Certificate of possession of Agriculture Land that my mother inherited from my late father.

And all other necessary documents such as family certificate to prove relationships, death certificate of my father etc..

I still don't understand why did the ECO not consider all those documents which i sent. I will be thankful if anyone can guide me what should i do to avoid refusal when i apply next time. Thanks!

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Post by Lucapooka » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:23 pm

It's not about your sister or mother sponsoring your financial necessities; they could be millionaires for all that it matters. It's about you as an individual having no ties and a high-risk profile. You are young, free, single and without any commitments. You also live in a part of the world from which many prefer to emigrate - even those with good ties!. What do you have to go back to? What is your motivation not to simply remain in the relative comfort of the mature welfare state that is the UK where you will find family, friends, happiness, opportunity, and perhaps even security? Your convincing answers and provision of suitable evidence in response to those questions must be addressed in your next application.

Your quest would be much easier were it not for the fact that huge numbers of your peers, in the same situation, have not returned having said they would. There is, therefore, also the matter of stigma and suspicious scrutiny to overcome when applying from a location that is considered a high-risk by the immigration authorities.

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Post by Sultan555 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:33 pm

Lucapooka wrote:It's not about your sister or mother sponsoring your financial necessities; they could be millionaires for all that it matters. It's about you as an individual having no ties and a high-risk profile. You are young, free, single and without any commitments. You also live in a part of the world from which many prefer to emigrate - even those with good ties!. What do you have to go back to? What is your motivation not to simply remain in the relative comfort of the mature welfare state that is the UK where you will find family, friends, happiness, opportunity, and perhaps even security? Your convincing answers and provision of suitable evidence in response to those questions must be addressed in your next application.

Your quest would be much easier were it not for the fact that huge numbers of your peers, in the same situation, have not returned having said they would. There is, therefore, also the matter of stigma and suspicious scrutiny to overcome when applying from a location that is considered a high-risk by the immigration authorities.
So what i comprehend from what u r saying is that If a person is single, free and dependent on his mother or even has his own assets, and if he is not married then he can't go to UK unless he has a valid reason for the visit!?

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Post by Lucapooka » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:39 pm

Probably true only for certain countries where there is a history of immigration abuse and the applicant has a family background or lifestyle which he might be inclined to freely abandon in order to live illegally in the UK (sometimes, with the full assent and support of the family). Or he could be independently wealthy and not viewed as a risk. Plenty of middle-class Pakistani students are granted visit visas to the UK so maybe you are just not providing the right evidence.

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Post by Ayyubi72 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:04 pm

Yes plenty of middle class pakistani students are granted visit visas, but there is more to it.

ECO's do understand, and have some good insight and training into every country's culutre and how the society operates there.

A middle class student, whose father is a bank manager, or a middle to high ranking civil servant or army officer is much less likely to live illegally in UK compared to farmer's son (even if educated) with no liquid regular and somewhat substantial cash income.

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Post by Sultan555 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:41 pm

Ayyubi72 wrote:Yes plenty of middle class pakistani students are granted visit visas, but there is more to it.

ECO's do understand, and have some good insight and training into every country's culutre and how the society operates there.

A middle class student, whose father is a bank manager, or a middle to high ranking civil servant or army officer is much less likely to live illegally in UK compared to farmer's son (even if educated) with no liquid regular and somewhat substantial cash income.
You might be right about a farmer's son, but my father was a serving 19 grade civil servant when he died... Maybe my father being not alive might also have some affect in the decision of ECO.

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