JOKE ? Theresa May plan to make British suspect stateless

[askmeplz82]

Theresa May plans new powers to make British terror suspects stateless:

Suspect = stateless : allowing removal of UK passport from suspects even if they have no other citizenship

is this a joke ? a suspect is Innocent until proven guilty


Article 15, UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

•(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
•(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

So what fundamental human right would Ms May wish to deny people next? Unbelievable.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1cf6beee-4afb ... abdc0.html

[The Station Agent]

This is for people who obtain British passports after moving here from a foreign country and then turn against us. It's like someone coming to lodge in your spare room and then trying to burn your house down. In that aspect the Home Secretary is quite right.

[askmeplz82]

This is for people who obtain British passports after moving here from a foreign country and then turn against us. It's like someone coming to lodge in your spare room and then trying to burn your house down. In that aspect the Home Secretary is quite right.

not true. also someone who born here.

there are five cases so far where British-born people have lost their UK nationality

even a suspect ? A suspect is innocent until proven guilty

people are being deprived of their rights as a British citizen on the say-so of security officials like Mi5 and Mi6 who can’t be challenged in court.


http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/20 ... tizenship/

[Wanderer]

This is for people who obtain British passports after moving here from a foreign country and then turn against us. It's like someone coming to lodge in your spare room and then trying to burn your house down. In that aspect the Home Secretary is quite right.

not true. also someone who born here.

there are five cases so far where British-born people have lost their UK nationality

even a suspect ? A suspect is innocent until proven guilty

people are being deprived of their rights as a British citizen on the say-so of security officials like Mi5 and Mi6 who can’t be challenged in court.


http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/20 ... tizenship/

Thanks for the link, very interesting.

Good riddance to the lot of them.

[Amber]

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you or one of your loved ones were being held (sometimes indefinitely) as an 'enemy combatant' or 'suspected terrorist'.

[Wanderer]

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you or one of your loved ones were being held (sometimes indefinitely) as an 'enemy combatant' or 'suspected terrorist'.

I'm sure I wouldn't, but none of my loved ones have been involved with terrorist organisations.

Believe me these things aren't done on flimsy evidence, trust me on that, the powers that be know more than we do, and I'm sure none of us want another 7/7...

[Amber]

No one insinuated they were. However, many suspects are held and treated very much differently on a mere allegation. Remember we shot and killed (murdered?) an innocent man on a tube, because we (wrongly) suspected him. Think very carefully before so surely brandishing suspects and believing in the 'powers that be'. We have no idea what the 'evidence' is or how strong it is, because secret courts exist. Unless you find yourself meeting the western stereotype of a terrorist you'll unlikely ever really know what it's like.

[Obie]

I'm sure none of us want another 7/7...

Precisely. I am also sure that no one wants to see British Troops involved in illegal wars in the middle east and North Africa, occupying countries where they are not even wanted, and killing and abusing innocent civilians, as is self evident in recent court martials.

Without condoling these so called 7/7 that you mentioned, perhaps you should be lobbying your local MP to put pressure to bear on the government, so that there foreign policy or illegal interventionist policy, which is partly to blame, or inadvertentlyact as a significant breading ground for this militant organisations will be properly considered.

I am sure there is a reason for everything. Perhaps you may choose to believe what our government tell us, using these brain washing tactics, that these people don't like our way of life, or your could try and study the root course of these things.

I think is it is a backward way to deal with citizens, to revoke their citizenship, when they do something wrong, and send them to another country, which they may have no link to.

Reminds me of the Australian Convicts policy. At least one could understand that it was aimed at colonising the Australia continent, and ignoring the existence of its original inhabitant.

[ouflak1]

I think is it is a backward way to deal with citizens, to revoke their citizenship, when they do something wrong,

But that's the kicker isn't it? This policy isn't for people who've done something wrong. It's for people suspected of doing something wrong. They might in fact be completely innocent. With their citizenship stripped they have limited ability to show that this is the case, or even put a case forward at all, and technically no right to try.

...and send them to another country, which they may have no link to.

Assuming any country will take them!

As my own country has learned the very hard way, it is far too easy to find yourself with a pile of 'suspects' for which there will never be enough evidence to establish a trial, and whom you can send nowhere, because no country is willing to allow them entry and residency. It becomes a international embarrassment and a political hassle, as well as an expensive venture with no end to the cost in sight.

Further to that, many of those who have been released after plea deals, pleading guilty to terrorist acts no less, and had countries willing to take them are now walking around free, most free the moment they set foot on the soil of their new homes. Hardly the result that should come about for somebody who is supposedly a convicted terrorist.

I see little good that can come about as a result of this kind of policy.

[The Station Agent]

The ones you refer to as British-born have the right through their parent(s) of claiming another nationality's passport. Being born here does not mean you are necessarily British anyway - if your parents were not "settled" (ILR) at the time of birth for instance.

[ouflak1]

The ones you refer to as British-born have the right through their parent(s) of claiming another nationality's passport.

Right or no right, if that country doesn't want them, then there is nothing that suspect, nor the UK, can do about it. And now you are stuck with someone who may or may not be guilty of anything, with no hope of having enough evidence to prove the matter either way, who you presumably have to hold in custody until the day they die.

If Theresa May can find a way of avoiding that rancid situation, would she mind emailing the White House? They could use a clue.