general visitor visa refused

[freeboy486]

my case is that my visit visa has been refused although i have presented all required documents and even more, i am student in third year of university and still have one more year to complete and i am living with my mother under her sponsorship , i wanted to visit my friend in the uk in august and he had sent me an invitation letter and the home office called him and everything was okay , the refusal letter stated that the reasons for refusal that although i have provided a certificate from my university stating that i am third year student ,there is no confirmation that i will leave the uk to go back and continue my studies, and that there are no economic ties to bring me back to my country (egypt).

first of all there is no way to prove that i will come back to continue my studies , there exists no document that can show such thing , there can only be a document proofing that i am already a student which i already gave them , and then ofcourse there are no economic ties i have mentioned in the application that i live under my mother and she provides for me and that she will be covering all the expenses of my trip , so how can a student have economic ties , reasons for refusal are non sense.

i understand that appealing will do me no good and that it takes long time and the same fees as making a new application
so my question is if you can help please, when making a new application what more documents should i include or what should i say in order to get my application to be accepted , thank you.

[ouflak1]

first of all there is no way to prove that i will come back to continue my studies , there exists no document that can show such thing

In which case, I recommend you forget about trying to visit the UK until you have established such ties to your home country that satisfy the Home Office requirements.

there can only be a document proofing that i am already a student which i already gave them , and then ofcourse there are no economic ties i have mentioned in the application that i live under my mother and she provides for me and that she will be covering all the expenses of my trip , so how can a student have economic ties , reasons for refusal are non sense.

From what you describe, it sounds like their decision was entirely consistent with their existing policies.

i understand that appealing will do me no good and that it takes long time and the same fees as making a new application so my question is if you can help please, when making a new application what more documents should i include or what should i say in order to get my application to be accepted , thank you.

What exactly did you plan on doing in the UK while visiting your friend? Just hang out at his flat and play computer games all day? Tour the country and visit all sorts of scenic sites? Did you have an itinerary for your plans in the UK? Do you have any relatives in the UK? If yes, did you plan on visiting them? How long were you planning on visiting? What does your friend do to support himself? Is he also a student? What happens if your mother is, for some period of time, unable to support you in the UK, even if it is just a technical glitch? How will you support yourself then? How long have you known your friend and how do you know him? Have you ever actually met him before? What are his living arrangements like? How was your progress at your university? Are you set to graduate soon?

You don't have to answer these questions here on this thread. But these are the kind of things going through the mind of a case worker working on your application. To be frank, you are from a some what 'high-risk' region which is already a big knock against you ever getting a visitor's visa without showing strong ties to your home country. And even if you were from a 'low-risk' visa free country, the background you describe would raise a lot of flags and it would be no surprise at all if you were denied entry and sent back. You're young, single, have no job, and have no otherwise compelling reason to go back (unless perhaps you are an exceptional student at your university, itself a prestigious institution, and you're just a couple of courses away from finishing up), atleast that you've mentioned here.

[freeboy486]

first of all there is no way to prove that i will come back to continue my studies , there exists no document that can show such thing

In which case, I recommend you forget about trying to visit the UK until you have established such ties to your home country that satisfy the Home Office requirements.

there can only be a document proofing that i am already a student which i already gave them , and then ofcourse there are no economic ties i have mentioned in the application that i live under my mother and she provides for me and that she will be covering all the expenses of my trip , so how can a student have economic ties , reasons for refusal are non sense.

From what you describe, it sounds like their decision was entirely consistent with their existing policies.

i understand that appealing will do me no good and that it takes long time and the same fees as making a new application so my question is if you can help please, when making a new application what more documents should i include or what should i say in order to get my application to be accepted , thank you.

What exactly did you plan on doing in the UK while visiting your friend? Just hang out at his flat and play computer games all day? Tour the country and visit all sorts of scenic sites? Did you have an itinerary for your plans in the UK? Do you have any relatives in the UK? If yes, did you plan on visiting them? How long were you planning on visiting? What does your friend do to support himself? Is he also a student? What happens if your mother is, for some period of time, unable to support you in the UK, even if it is just a technical glitch? How will you support yourself then? How long have you known your friend and how do you know him? Have you ever actually met him before? What are his living arrangements like? How was your progress at your university? Are you set to graduate soon?

You don't have to answer these questions here on this thread. But these are the kind of things going through the mind of a case worker working on your application. To be frank, you are from a some what 'high-risk' region which is already a big knock against you ever getting a visitor's visa without showing strong ties to your home country. And even if you were from a 'low-risk' visa free country, the background you describe would raise a lot of flags and it would be no surprise at all if you were denied entry and sent back. You're young, single, have no job, and have no otherwise compelling reason to go back (unless perhaps you are an exceptional student at your university, itself a prestigious institution, and you're just a couple of courses away from finishing up), atleast that you've mentioned here.

what kind of ties do u suggest i should present , and what kind of information do you suggest that i should present on my next application , and by the way i am studying computer science at a reputable university in egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one,my high school education was also british i have an IGCSE certificate and i have very good grades, how do i prove that i wont stay at the uk and that i wont throw my educational life away ? and in my previous application i have already included an invitation letter with the passport page of the person im visiting , what course of action should i take and provide in order to further support my application

[ouflak1]

What exactly did you plan on doing in the UK while visiting your friend? Just hang out at his flat and play computer games all day? Tour the country and visit all sorts of scenic sites? Did you have an itinerary for your plans in the UK? Do you have any relatives in the UK? If yes, did you plan on visiting them? How long were you planning on visiting? What does your friend do to support himself? Is he also a student? What happens if your mother is, for some period of time, unable to support you in the UK, even if it is just a technical glitch? How will you support yourself then? How long have you known your friend and how do you know him? Have you ever actually met him before? What are his living arrangements like? How was your progress at your university? Are you set to graduate soon?

You don't have to answer these questions here on this thread. But these are the kind of things going through the mind of a case worker working on your application.

what kind of ties do u suggest i should present , and what kind of information do you suggest that i should present on my next application , and by the way i am studying computer science at a reputable university in egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one,my high school education was also british i have an IGCSE certificate and i have very good grades, how do i prove that i wont stay at the uk and that i wont throw my educational life away ? and in my previous application i have already included an invitation letter with the passport page of the person im visiting , what course of action should i take and provide in order to further support my application

The case worker would like to see things like home ownership on property that you are actually living on and maintaining, a job that is obviously career oriented that you've invested some time into, a family that is dependent on your presence there, and/or strong communal ties and responsibilities (active member of a church/mosque, member of town council, senior longtime volunteer of a charitable organization, etc...). Each case is different.

i am studying computer science at a reputable university in Egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one... and i have very good grades

This is an example of some kind of a tie to your home country. Unfortunately demonstrating that could easily be interpreted the wrong way. Hence the questions I asked above. I'll ask a further question with this new information: What do you plan on doing after you graduate? Where do you plan on working? Where do you see yourself in five years? Again, you don't have to answer any of these questions on this thread. But these are the kind of questions that will be going through a case worker's mind. Even if they don't ask them directly to you, they will be thinking them. And if they don't like the potential answers, you won't get a visitor's visa.

Le's just go with a couple of basic questions and see how this looks. How long do you plan to visit? What exactly do you plan on doing while you are in the UK?

[freeboy486]

What exactly did you plan on doing in the UK while visiting your friend? Just hang out at his flat and play computer games all day? Tour the country and visit all sorts of scenic sites? Did you have an itinerary for your plans in the UK? Do you have any relatives in the UK? If yes, did you plan on visiting them? How long were you planning on visiting? What does your friend do to support himself? Is he also a student? What happens if your mother is, for some period of time, unable to support you in the UK, even if it is just a technical glitch? How will you support yourself then? How long have you known your friend and how do you know him? Have you ever actually met him before? What are his living arrangements like? How was your progress at your university? Are you set to graduate soon?

You don't have to answer these questions here on this thread. But these are the kind of things going through the mind of a case worker working on your application.

what kind of ties do u suggest i should present , and what kind of information do you suggest that i should present on my next application , and by the way i am studying computer science at a reputable university in egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one,my high school education was also british i have an IGCSE certificate and i have very good grades, how do i prove that i wont stay at the uk and that i wont throw my educational life away ? and in my previous application i have already included an invitation letter with the passport page of the person im visiting , what course of action should i take and provide in order to further support my application

The case worker would like to see things like home ownership on property that you are actually living on and maintaining, a job that is obviously career oriented that you've invested some time into, a family that is dependent on your presence there, and/or strong communal ties and responsibilities (active member of a church/mosque, member of town council, senior longtime volunteer of a charitable organization, etc...). Each case is different.

i am studying computer science at a reputable university in Egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one... and i have very good grades

This is an example of some kind of a tie to your home country. Unfortunately demonstrating that could easily be interpreted the wrong way. Hence the questions I asked above. I'll ask a further question with this new information: What do you plan on doing after you graduate? Where do you plan on working? Where do you see yourself in five years? Again, you don't have to answer any of these questions on this thread. But these are the kind of questions that will be going through a case worker's mind. Even if they don't ask them directly to you, they will be thinking them. And if they don't like the potential answers, you won't get a visitor's visa.

Le's just go with a couple of basic questions and see how this looks. How long do you plan to visit? What exactly do you plan on doing while you are in the UK?

i plan to visit for 2 weeks, and actually i met the family im visiting in February here in hurghada in egypt while they were on vacation and we became very good friends and they have offered to host me for a short visit , thats the whole purpose of my trip ,i plan on staying with them , and them showing me around some exciting tourism places and visiting london , i also have a friend who lives in london who was with me in high school and i might visit him

[Wanderer]

Just reapply addressing all the issues the ECO raised in the refusal. If you can't then I suggest you wait until you are in such a position where you are able to do so otherwise you'll end up with a litany of refusals against you each one making the next much more difficult.

[freeboy486]

Just reapply addressing all the issues the ECO raised in the refusal. If you can't then I suggest you wait until you are in such a position where you are able to do so otherwise you'll end up with a litany of refusals against you each one making the next much more difficult.

the issues are that they are not sure that i will come back to continue my studies and that i have no economic ties, i am not sure how to prove that i will come back to continue my studies, which i will do for sure , and about the economic ties everything we own is written under my mother's name, should i include documents proving ownage of properties although they are written under my mother's name?

[ouflak1]

what kind of ties do u suggest i should present , and what kind of information do you suggest that i should present on my next application , and by the way i am studying computer science at a reputable university in egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one,my high school education was also british i have an IGCSE certificate and i have very good grades, how do i prove that i wont stay at the uk and that i wont throw my educational life away ? and in my previous application i have already included an invitation letter with the passport page of the person im visiting , what course of action should i take and provide in order to further support my application

The case worker would like to see things like:

What exactly did you plan on doing in the UK while visiting your friend? Just hang out at his flat and play computer games all day? Tour the country and visit all sorts of scenic sites? Did you have an itinerary for your plans in the UK? Do you have any relatives in the UK? If yes, did you plan on visiting them? How long were you planning on visiting? What does your friend do to support himself? Is he also a student? What happens if your mother is, for some period of time, unable to support you in the UK, even if it is just a technical glitch? How will you support yourself then? How long have you known your friend and how do you know him? Have you ever actually met him before? What are his living arrangements like? How was your progress at your university? Are you set to graduate soon?

You don't have to answer these questions here on this thread. But these are the kind of things going through the mind of a case worker working on your application. A list of ties:

• * home ownership on property that you are actually living on and maintaining
  
  * a job that is obviously career oriented that you've invested some time into
  
  * a family that is dependent on your presence there
  
  * strong communal ties and responsibilities (active member of a church/mosque, member of town council, senior longtime volunteer of a charitable organization, etc...)

Each case is different. This isn't absolutely defining.

i am studying computer science at a reputable university in Egypt (Ain Shams university) and the next academic year is my final one... and i have very good grades

This is an example of some kind of a tie to your home country. Unfortunately demonstrating that could easily be interpreted the wrong way. Hence the questions I asked above. I'll ask a further question with this new information: What do you plan on doing after you graduate? Where do you plan on working? Where do you see yourself in five years? Again, you don't have to answer any of these questions on this thread. But these are the kind of questions that will be going through a case worker's mind. Even if they don't ask them directly to you, they will be thinking them. And if they don't like the potential answers, you won't get a visitor's visa.

Le's just go with a couple of basic questions and see how this looks. How long do you plan to visit? What exactly do you plan on doing while you are in the UK?

i plan to visit for 2 weeks, and actually i met the family I'm visiting in February here in Hurghada in Egypt while they were on vacation and we became very good friends and they have offered to host me for a short visit , that's the whole purpose of my trip ,i plan on staying with them , and them showing me around some exciting tourism places and visiting London , i also have a friend who lives in London who was with me in high school and i might visit him

Alright ,that's a good solid straightforward answer. (Thanks for that BTW. You wouldn't believe some of the bombshells of information that drop from people asking for advice, when the truth starts to finally come out.) So now you've seen the list above of the kind of information that the Home Office would like to see. I suspect that you will not be able to supply much along those lines, and I'm afraid that is critical. I don't think there is much more advice I can give except to perhaps not waste too much money, time, or emotional investment on another visa. Unless you've got some absolutely critical missing piece of information to share here, I can't help you much more that what I already have. Maybe somebody else can chime in....

[freeboy486]

Alright ,that's a good solid straightforward answer. (Thanks for that BTW. You wouldn't believe some of the bombshells of information that drop from people asking for advice, when the truth starts to finally come out.) So now you've seen the list above of the kind of information that the Home Office would like to see. I suspect that you will not be able to supply much along those lines, and I'm afraid that is critical. I don't think there is much more advice I can give except to perhaps not waste too much money, time, or emotional investment on another visa. Unless you've got some absolutely critical missing piece of information to share here, I can't help you much more that what I already have. Maybe somebody else can chime in....

well i appreciate your help and thank you so much really , i just have 1 last question , we as a family own a lot of property but its written under my mother's name not mine, will it do me any good if i present proof of owning these properties along with my application? i also have pictures with the family i am visiting, will posting those pictures too do me any good?

[ouflak1]

Alright ,that's a good solid straightforward answer. (Thanks for that BTW. You wouldn't believe some of the bombshells of information that drop from people asking for advice, when the truth starts to finally come out.) So now you've seen the list above of the kind of information that the Home Office would like to see. I suspect that you will not be able to supply much along those lines, and I'm afraid that is critical. I don't think there is much more advice I can give except to perhaps not waste too much money, time, or emotional investment on another visa. Unless you've got some absolutely critical missing piece of information to share here, I can't help you much more that what I already have. Maybe somebody else can chime in....

well i appreciate your help and thank you so much really , i just have 1 last question , we as a family own a lot of property but its written under my mother's name not mine, will it do me any good if i present proof of owning these properties along with my application? i also have pictures with the family i am visiting, will posting those pictures too do me any good?

If you are primarily living on the property and its upkeep, especially upkeep that maintains its value and utility, is entirely dependent on you, then yes. Otherwise, probably not. The pictures are good solid evidence that you actually know who you are visiting, but not much more than that, and this doesn't seem to have been questioned by the case worker anyway (though it could come up later if you try again).

[freeboy486]

Alright ,that's a good solid straightforward answer. (Thanks for that BTW. You wouldn't believe some of the bombshells of information that drop from people asking for advice, when the truth starts to finally come out.) So now you've seen the list above of the kind of information that the Home Office would like to see. I suspect that you will not be able to supply much along those lines, and I'm afraid that is critical. I don't think there is much more advice I can give except to perhaps not waste too much money, time, or emotional investment on another visa. Unless you've got some absolutely critical missing piece of information to share here, I can't help you much more that what I already have. Maybe somebody else can chime in....

well i appreciate your help and thank you so much really , i just have 1 last question , we as a family own a lot of property but its written under my mother's name not mine, will it do me any good if i present proof of owning these properties along with my application? i also have pictures with the family i am visiting, will posting those pictures too do me any good?

If you are primarily living on the property and its upkeep, especially upkeep that maintains its value and utility, is entirely dependent on you, then yes. Otherwise, probably not. The pictures are good solid evidence that you actually know who you are visiting, but not much more than that, and this doesn't seem to have been questioned by the case worker anyway (though it could come up later if you try again).

i also forgot to mention that i have a job offer letter that states that i start the job on the fifth of September ,should i include a copy of that , is it considered a tie? since i will want to return for that

[ouflak1]

well i appreciate your help and thank you so much really , i just have 1 last question , we as a family own a lot of property but its written under my mother's name not mine, will it do me any good if i present proof of owning these properties along with my application? i also have pictures with the family i am visiting, will posting those pictures too do me any good?

If you are primarily living on the property and its upkeep, especially upkeep that maintains its value and utility, is entirely dependent on you, then yes. Otherwise, probably not. The pictures are good solid evidence that you actually know who you are visiting, but not much more than that, and this doesn't seem to have been questioned by the case worker anyway (though it could come up later if you try again).

i also forgot to mention that i have a job offer letter that states that i start the job on the fifth of September ,should i include a copy of that , is it considered a tie? since i will want to return for that

Yes. Especially if the job is in your field and thus an investment into a career. Basically anything that demonstrates clearly that you have every intention of going back when you say, and have a need to go back as you would be giving up too much if you didn't.