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It's ofcourse most unfortunate and upsetting but it may not be 'baseless' - and HO certainly do play hard ball in such cases.ls9bg wrote:Hi My mother-in-law's visa got refused without a reason. After speaking with all solicitors they said that it is harsh refusal because there is no ground for refusal. Now we want to either appeal ot re-apply but are not sure so need help. Please help we have about 10 days left to appeal.
The visa was refused based on financial dependency ans ECO stated the following:
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We do not understand why because we have been sending her money since august and her pension is 3 % of her monthly expenses which we did show. We also submitted proof of remittances.
Is it applicable?noajthan wrote:If you can't overcome this hurdle you may have to contemplate Surinder Singh.
My mistake if neither of you are British.ls9bg wrote:I do not think Surinder Singh applies as it states
"You may be able to apply for an EEA family permit as a family member of a British citizen who has worked in another EEA country. This is known as the ‘Surinder Singh’ route."
The Surinder Singh route is a method for British citizens to secure UK immigration rights for their non-European spouses, who are unable to join their partners because of several changes in UK immigration law aimed at reducing net migration. "
None of us is a British Citizen.
Emotional dependency, rock solid proof of a family member living in a aponsor's household etc could only help. That's why I mentioned it.ls9bg wrote:In terms of emotional dependency , EEA law does not care about that and looks only at financial dependency.
“As a result of Pedro, the position of dependent relatives in the ascending line (and presumably for dependent relatives in the descending line as the wording in the Directive is the same) is that they simply have to show dependency as a matter of fact. The ECJ case law the status of dependent family member is the result of a factual situation characterised by the fact that material support for that family member is provided by the Community national or the spouse who has exercised free movement rights. The status of dependence does not presuppose the existence of a right of maintenance and the status is not lost if the family member claims and receives benefit.”
In case of Lim the judge recalls
“As Lebon made clear, whether someone has the status of a dependant family member is a question of fact. Such a status is characterised by the material support for that family member provided by the Union national who has exercised his free right of movement. Why the family member is dependent does not matter.”
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From Lim, this point seems critical:ls9bg wrote:...
The dependency is genuine, there is not a single document that we could have given but did not give to support the ap except may be a table of expenditure and income. In comparison with the Lim case the mother was in much better economic position than my mum is but as you it is up to home office to recognise or ignore what we have provided to adduce the facts.
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Suggest you work on that spreasheet.20. There are a number of considerations that might appear to support the ECO’s position that the remittances sent to the claimant demonstrate that she was not dependent.
a. First, the jurisprudence of the Court of Justice clearly emphasises that assessment of dependency must take into account the personal situation of the applicant, which might be thought to entail that dependency cannot simply be deduced from the mere fact of receipt of financial support by an EEA national or spouse.
This aspect of the jurisprudence might be said to be reinforced by the formulation given by the Court of Justice in Jia when it says (in the context of predecessor EU legislation, Directive 73/148) that dependency “… must be interpreted as meaning that proof of the need for material support” is required
Thanks for that, printed the spreasheet and the rest to go with the bundle.20. There are a number of considerations that might appear to support the ECO’s position that the remittances sent to the claimant demonstrate that she was not dependent.
a. First, the jurisprudence of the Court of Justice clearly emphasises that assessment of dependency must take into account the personal situation of the applicant, which might be thought to entail that dependency cannot simply be deduced from the mere fact of receipt of financial support by an EEA national or spouse.
This aspect of the jurisprudence might be said to be reinforced by the formulation given by the Court of Justice in Jia when it says (in the context of predecessor EU legislation, Directive 73/148) that dependency “… must be interpreted as meaning that proof of the need for material support” is required
how can judge say that. Furthermore in EU law new evidence can be provided. It is an error of law for a judge to say otherwisels9bg wrote:So finally I went to appeal hearing on the 17th July. We took a barrister with us who advised that only documents submitted at the time of application matter but the judge dismissed the appeal saying that dependency is contrived. The judge based her decision on probabilties. I want to appeal to upper tribunal but would like advise how we can request this from the 1st tier tribunal and from which legal stand point. The circumstances made my mother in law financially dependent on us at the same time around our marriage in 2014 though we had known each other since 2013 so the judge concluded that the dependency is contrived.
I can copy in the judgement which is in pdf. There is a lot of content. Please advise ASAP because we have to submit the request within 28 days.