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Do you mean residence certificate (RC) or family permit (FP) ?bella3579 wrote:...
So my questions are these:
1) Do I have enough grounds to appeal their decision simply because I feel their decision is wrong? Do they need to have broken some sort of law for me to be allowed to appeal?
2) Am I allowed to submit new evidence in the appeal to attempt to counter their points of refusal?
3) Would it be better for me to fly home and to reapply from there instead of appealing while I am still here in the UK? (Even though they are allowed to send me home whenever they want)
Any help, at all, would be appreciated immeasurably. I understand that the time frame is very tight, but I'm hoping someone can lead me in the right direction.
Thank you in advance.
Thanks so much for your response, noajthan. I appreciate it.noajthan wrote:
Do you mean residence certificate (RC) or family permit (FP) ?
1) Not really.
2) You need substantial evidence of joint venture, future plans, co-habitation helps (but not actually compulsory under EU law), child may help
- see page 23+
The linked doc shows what HO will be looking for.bella3579 wrote:Thanks so much for your response, noajthan. I appreciate it.
I'm applying for the RC, which my (ex)lawyer referred to as the "Residence Card". Apologies, I've heard both for so long I thought they were the same thing
Sadly, there's no child. We provided evidence of our relationship through Facebook conversations and a LOT of photographs, which strangely they didn't address at all in the refusal letter.
Our main issue is that for most of our relationship we lived together in South Africa, but I moved in with him. For that reason, all of the bills and contracts etc were in his name, and I had no policies or anything of the sort. So I understand their point, but there must be a way that we can prove it without the same documentation as would be required in the UK? SA is a very different place where things are done entirely opposite to how they're done here. Which makes it very tricky...
I'm looking through the document now, thank you. It's very thorough and is the first thing that's given me a decisive path on how to write the appeal cover letter. I feel much more confident about it now.noajthan wrote:
The linked doc shows what HO will be looking for.
Their rules are derived from stringent UK immigration-related rules as EU law does not go into specifics.
So the UK requirement is not strictly compliant with EU law - that may give you some leverage in any appeal, but you still need to prove the relationship (rather than simply live in it and assert it exists).
Plan B is to marry, then you become a direct family member rather than an extended family member of your EEA national sponsor.
Good luck.
You may well have been planning to marry anyway.bella3579 wrote:I'm looking through the document now, thank you. It's very thorough and is the first thing that's given me a decisive path on how to write the appeal cover letter. I feel much more confident about it now.
And we can't really get married, because then it's a "marriage of convenience" because they have on file that I've just applied for this visa.
Ref https://www.freemovement.org.uk/court-o ... me-office/In my judgment, the legal burden lies on the Secretary of State to prove that an otherwise valid marriage is a marriage of convenience so as to justify the refusal of an application for a residence card under the EEA Regulations.
All good points, thank you. Worth thinking about.noajthan wrote: You may well have been planning to marry anyway.
And, as I understand it, its up to HO to prove a m-o-c rather than the other way around.
Ref https://www.freemovement.org.uk/court-o ... me-office/In my judgment, the legal burden lies on the Secretary of State to prove that an otherwise valid marriage is a marriage of convenience so as to justify the refusal of an application for a residence card under the EEA Regulations.
Have you anything at all to show that you lived at your partners address, e.g. bank/credit card/investment statements, driving and/or vehicle licence, payslips or even letters addressed to you?bella3579 wrote: However, since unfortunately we were living together in South Africa, we have very little official documentation to prove that we were co-habiting during our time there
Hi manci, thanks for the response.manci wrote:It would help if you posted the actual wording of the reasons for the refusal.
Please describe the photos you submitted. Were they from the 2 year period of interest and were they date stamped?
Please describe the Facebook conversations you submitted.
Have you anything at all to show that you lived at your partners address, e.g. bank/credit card/investment statements, driving and/or vehicle licence, payslips or even letters addressed to you?
The caseworker has evidently interpreted your evidence as indicating you are flatmates or in a boyfriend/girlfriend type of relationship.bella3579 wrote:The wording of the refusal is as follows:
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bella3579 wrote:Thank you all for your responses.
I think that's what I'm struggling with the most at the moment. My knee-jerk reaction is to appeal because I know they're wrong, but I fully understand why they refused it in the first place.
Essentially what I'm battling with is:
1) Can I legally appeal if they haven't broken any laws or rules? And,
yes you can if you have been given the right to appeal.
2) Should I just suck it up now instead of bothering with the appeal, and fly back home to try to gather more evidence and just reapply?
that is am option but appealing will gain you time. The appeal can be withdrawn any time before it is decided
My one concern with reapplying is that I cannot apply for the Residence Card from South Africa, only for the 6 month EEA Family Visitors Permit. So I would need to get that one, come back here, and then apply for this one all over again.
If you strengthen your case by producing more evidence you would be applying for an EEA Family Permit which is not a visitor visa. If you are successful you can then return to the UK. Note that once you returned with the EEA FP you don't have to, but can, apply for a RC. If you do apply for a RC it should be automatically granted provided you meet the other requirements which are mainly to do with your Austrian partner exercising treaty rights. .
It sounds like the general consensus is that I shouldn't appeal though?
If you have an appeal right associated with the application then it has to be offered to you.bella3579 wrote:I think what confuses me the most is; why would they allow me to appeal the decision if it was so clear and clean cut for them to make?
I've never even heard of that!rotor wrote: If you do decide to get married, whatever you do don't get married by proxy! I still don't understand why people do this, but it seems to be a thing.
That was my reasoning. It almost seems like they're requesting more evidence. The problem is, thanks to the lax structure in South Africa, I don't have enough additional evidence to prove myself.manci wrote:This is from the IAFT-5 guidance:
You must give as much detail as possible and should raise all the grounds of appeal you wish to rely on. The Tribunal is not permitted to consider grounds that you raise which have not been the subject of a decision by the Home Office unless the Home Office agrees to the Tribunal considering those new grounds.
The wording of the refusal letter was: ""We would expect to see further more compelling evidence ....." This rather vague wording suggests to me that they may consider further evidence of the relationship and if you manage to produce it for the appeal the HO may in fact grant you the RC and then the appeal would be abandoned - but this is only IMHO.
btw - what leave to enter did you have and when y did you enter the UK?
Good on you -- I went through the same process, and I also did not want to rush it. Fortunately my now wife was able to come to the UK on a student visa, which gave us the time to decide whether we wanted to marry.bella3579 wrote:My partner and I have spoken about it before, and in our minds, if we got married now it would be marred with the pressure of this application, which we think would be detrimental to our relationship. I wouldn't want to do that just to be able to stay in this country.