ESC

Click the "allow" button if you want to receive important news and updates from immigrationboards.com


Immigrationboards.com: Immigration, work visa and work permit discussion board

Welcome to immigrationboards.com!

Login Register Do not show

The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization forEEA

A section for posts relating to applications for Naturalisation or Registration as a British Citizen. Naturalisation

Moderators: Casa, John, ChetanOjha, archigabe, CR001, push, JAJ, ca.funke, Amber, zimba, vinny, Obie, EUsmileWEallsmile, batleykhan, meself2, geriatrix

Locked
Saladin0011
Member
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:16 pm
Mood:
Czech Republic

The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization forEEA

Post by Saladin0011 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:24 pm

What is the most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization of EEA members?

ohara
Diamond Member
Posts: 1826
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:00 pm
Location: hiding in a badger sett
United Kingdom

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by ohara » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:19 am

How would we know that?

A lot of people fail on the requirement to be present in the UK 5 years ago on the day of the application. This is one of the things there is no discretion on.

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by noajthan » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:21 am

Saladin0011 wrote:What is the most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization of EEA members?
Likely to be much the same as for non-EEA applicants:
  • failure to meet mandatory requirements (for example: fee payment, wrongly-timed application, proof of English, LITUK, immigration status, residency, proof of physical presence, absences)
and/or
  • good character issues.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

Saladin0011
Member
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:16 pm
Mood:
Czech Republic

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Saladin0011 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:40 am

How they can check on proof of physical presence, absence or good character issues?

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by noajthan » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:46 am

Saladin0011 wrote:How they can check on proof of physical presence, absence or good character issues?
It is up to the applicant to submit adequate supporting evidence which is then crosschecked and verified against a number of government and other sources.
Character is weighed up and assessed on a balance of probabilities.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

Saladin0011
Member
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:16 pm
Mood:
Czech Republic

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Saladin0011 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:00 pm

What??
Character is weighed up and assessed on a balance of probabilities.
It doesn't make any sense. Is there any guideline for this?

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by noajthan » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:05 pm

Saladin0011 wrote:What??
Character is weighed up and assessed on a balance of probabilities.
It doesn't make any sense. Is there any guideline for this?
Ofcourse there is a method to this.
Contrary to what the Daily Fail and other media may have you believe, the privilege of citizenship is not doled out like end of term reports or candy bars.

The HO is not stuck in the dark ages, simply relying on a 'sharp intake of breath and wet finger in the air' or poking through chicken entrails; (that's reserved for Tier 1 applicants) <<<< English humour.

Ref https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _D_v02.pdf
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

User avatar
Casa
Moderator
Posts: 25786
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:32 pm
United Kingdom

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Casa » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:07 pm

Saladin0011 wrote:What??
Character is weighed up and assessed on a balance of probabilities.
It doesn't make any sense. Is there any guideline for this?
Any periods of overstay or residence without valid leave, police reports, Court records, non-payment of Council tax, undischarged debts or bankruptcy, tax discrepancies/deception cross-checked with HMRC etc. Together with the long list in noajthan's official link.
(Casa, not CR001)
Please don't send me PMs asking for immigration advice on posts that are on the open forum. If I haven't responded there, it's because I don't have the answer. I'm a moderator, not a legal professional.

Saladin0011
Member
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:16 pm
Mood:
Czech Republic

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Saladin0011 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:21 pm

Wow.. OK, so every case worker is going through all this checks? Now I understand why it take so long....

ohara
Diamond Member
Posts: 1826
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:00 pm
Location: hiding in a badger sett
United Kingdom

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by ohara » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:05 pm

Saladin0011 wrote:Wow.. OK, so every case worker is going through all this checks? Now I understand why it take so long....
Yes, it's a stringent process and as said above, British citizenship is not just handed out willy-nilly as some newspapers would have you believe.

Richard W
- thin ice -
Posts: 1950
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:25 am
Location: Stevenage
England

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Richard W » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:57 pm

noajthan wrote:
Saladin0011 wrote:What is the most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization of EEA members?
Likely to be much the same as for non-EEA applicants:
<snip> immigration status <snip>
We fairly frequently hear on these boards of British citizenship being denied on the grounds of past periods of overstay for people who appear to have ILR. However, does this tend to happen for people on the EEA route? We have lots of people who have been delayed getting PR because there was a period when they weren't covered by the exercise of treaty rights, e.g. periods as a student without CSI, and wives with non-EEA husbands giving up work to look after young children. Are they being denied citizenship because of these periods with no legal basis of stay? I haven't noticed any such cases, and I can see an argument for turning a blind eye to them. It's also possible that it is just that it is too hard for the Home Office to establish that people weren't covered.

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by noajthan » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:03 pm

Plenty of denials due to lack of PR status = immigration status.

I leave trawling the forum or hacking the HO CID databank as an exercise for the interested reader.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

Richard W
- thin ice -
Posts: 1950
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:25 am
Location: Stevenage
England

Re: The most common reason of unsuccessful naturalization fo

Post by Richard W » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:23 pm

noajthan wrote:Plenty of denials due to lack of PR status = immigration status.
Now that was a reason that should have been peculiar to EEA-route naturalisation. Whereas one should know whether one has ILR (unless one has been here for decades), it wasn't so easy to be sure of having achieved PR, and one's evidence could always have been rejected as inadequate. Lack of PR status should now be fairly rare, as form AN now asks about the DCPR/PRC.

Yes, I know, not reading the instructions is a common cause of failure.
noajthan wrote:I leave trawling the forum or hacking the HO CID databank as an exercise for the interested reader.
Shouldn't the 'hive mind' do a good job of trawling the forum?

Locked