Appling for RC-Doubts about proof and continuity

[stella11]

Hey everyone, hope someone can answers my doubts.
I was thinking of applying for a residence card as a EU national in a year time as it will be 5 years living in UK, but I have 2 important question I need help with:
1)I checked the type of proof they want me to send them but I don't think I have everything covering every single month, especially I don't have 2 of them! I have my payslip so I could show those and my rent contract but I've lost some of them, and I was wondering what I could use instead
2)Being a student enrolled in a UK university I was forced to spend 9 months in Japan as a compulsory part of my course, would that be an impediment when calculation the continuous 5 year timeline?
Hope someone can answer, thank you!

[noajthan]

Hey everyone, hope someone can answers my doubts.
I was thinking of applying for a residence card as a EU national in a year time as it will be 5 years living in UK, but I have 2 important question I need help with:
1)I checked the type of proof they want me to send them but I don't think I have everything covering every single month, especially I don't have 2 of them! I have my payslip so I could show those and my rent contract but I've lost some of them, and I was wondering what I could use instead
2)Being a student enrolled in a UK university I was forced to spend 9 months in Japan as a compulsory part of my course, would that be an impediment when calculation the continuous 5 year timeline?
Hope someone can answer, thank you!

1) You can get into the mind of HO caseworker weighing up and assessing your case here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf

Are you an A8 national?

2) Hope they didn't have to poke you with pointed sticks to make you go.

No - a one-off absence of up to 12 months for an exceptional reason (such as as study leave) should be acceptable and won't have broken your continuity of residence in UK.
Good supporting evidence will be required to justify this.

For the rest of your carefree student years (those spent in UK) did you have CSI?

[stella11]

You can get into the mind of HO caseworker weighing up and assessing your case here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf

Are you an A8 national?

2) Hope they didn't have to poke you with pointed sticks to make you go.

No - a one-off absence of up to 12 months for an exceptional reason (such as as study leave) should be acceptable and won't have broken your continuity of residence in UK.
Good supporting evidence will be required to justify this.

For the rest of your carefree student years (those spent in UK) did you have CSI?

1) Thank you so much, I'll find something that will help
And nope I'm not A8 national

2) Just trying to make it clearer
I'm not sure what you mean by CSI but if it's some kind of insurance than no, I only pay for my NIN .

Thank you for you quick answer!

[noajthan]

1) Thank you so much, I'll find something that will help
And nope I'm not A8 national

2) Just trying to make it clearer
I'm not sure what you mean by CSI but if it's some kind of insurance than no, I only pay for my NIN .

Thank you for you quick answer!

2) Yes, CSI = comprehensive sickness insurance.

Lack of it is a potential problem if you have a period of student years in your qualifying period.

As an alternative, did you have a foreign EHIC?
Or a RC issued to you as a student in/before 2011?
If not your PR clock may well have have stopped.

[stella11]

Lack of it is a potential problem if you have a period of student years in your qualifying period.

As an alternative, did you have a foreign EHIC?
Or a RC issued to you as a student in/before 2011?
If not your PR clock may well have have stopped.

Really? I don't see any reason to get insurance as I'm EU, I have a NIN and can use NHS normally.
Yes I do have my Italian Health Insurance Card but I only started uni in 2013 before that I have my house contract and payslip to prove that I was living in UK. And I am going to wait another year before applying as so far I only have 4 years!
Why do you say it is a problem without insurance?

[noajthan]

Really? I don't see any reason to get insurance as I'm EU, I have a NIN and can use NHS normally.
Yes I do have my Italian Health Insurance Card but I only started uni in 2013 before that I have my house contract and payslip to prove that I was living in UK. And I am going to wait another year before applying as so far I only have 4 years!
Why do you say it is a problem without insurance?

EU migration is a walk in the park (compared to the much more rigorous and financially demanding UK migration route) but despite its free and easy laissez faire approach you still need to fulfill various requirements.

Having a NINO (or being super fit and never seeing a doctor) is irrelevant in terms of EU migration and acquiring PR.

It is a problem because lack of insurance (or alternative) will have stopped your PR clock as a student.
If that is a component of your qualifying period then your qualifying period will have broken and so you cannot use that period to acquire PR.

[stella11]

EU migration is a walk in the park (compared to the much more rigorous and financially demanding UK migration route) but despite its free and easy laissez faire approach you still need to fulfill various requirements.

Having a NINO (or being super fit and never seeing a doctor) is irrelevant in terms of EU migration and acquiring PR.

It is a problem because lack of insurance (or alternative) will have stopped your PR clock as a student.
If that is a component of your qualifying period then your qualifying period will have broken and so you cannot use that period to acquire PR.

This is actually the first time I hear this thing, so sorry about all the questions!
What about my european one, can I use that?
I really don't get why I should have gotten insurance when I can have free medical care even without it...

[noajthan]

EU migration is a walk in the park (compared to the much more rigorous and financially demanding UK migration route) but despite its free and easy laissez faire approach you still need to fulfill various requirements.

Having a NINO (or being super fit and never seeing a doctor) is irrelevant in terms of EU migration and acquiring PR.

It is a problem because lack of insurance (or alternative) will have stopped your PR clock as a student.
If that is a component of your qualifying period then your qualifying period will have broken and so you cannot use that period to acquire PR.

This is actually the first time I hear this thing, so sorry about all the questions!
What about my european one, can I use that?
I really don't get why I should have gotten insurance when I can have free medical care even without it...

This is nothing about using the NHS. The point is if you are not a worker then 'UK plc' (that's people such as me) pays for your free medical care (whether you use it or not) unless you have CSI (or a suitable alternative).

To acquire the holy grail of PR status, EU law says that the Union citizen should not be a burden on the social assistance system of the host state.

Economically-active citizens on the EU migration route (such as workers) avoid being a burden by paying tax.
Non-economically active persons (such as students and the self-sufficient) need CSI. Or a foreign EHIC (or, in exceptional cases, a RC issued to you as a student in/before 2011).

To get into the head of the caseworker who will assess whether you are (and have been) a qualified person exercising treaty rights continuously, see guidance here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf
- see page 25+ for students

[stella11]

This is nothing about using the NHS. The point is if you are not a worker then 'UK plc' (that's people such as me) pays for your free medical care (whether you use it or not) unless you have CSI (or a suitable alternative).

To acquire the holy grail of PR status, EU law says that the Union citizen should not be a burden on the social assistance system of the host state.

Economically-active citizens on the EU migration route (such as workers) avoid being a burden by paying tax.
Non-economically active persons (such as students and the self-sufficient) need CSI. Or a foreign EHIC (or, in exceptional cases, a RC issued to you as a student in/before 2011).

To get into the head of the caseworker who will assess whether you are (and have been) a qualified person exercising treaty rights continuously, see guidance here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf

Oh I understand now, yes that's fair although I do have my EHIC and I have also been working in UK during my studies, part-time and full- time.
Do you think that will make a difference?

[noajthan]

Oh I understand now, yes that's fair although I do have my EHIC and I have also been working in UK during my studies, part-time and full- time.
Do you think that will make a difference?

A foreign-issued EHIC can be submitted to back your case as a student qualified person (instead of CSI).

If you want to apply on the basis of being a worker whilst you were at uni you need to show the work was genuine and effective rather than supplementary (to being a student) and marginal.

[stella11]

If you want to apply on the basis of being a worker whilst you were at uni you need to show the work was genuine and effective rather than supplementary (to being a student) and marginal.

Ok, but since I've been a student only for 4 years, can I say that I was working full time for the rest of the time? Otherwise I don't know what I could do.

[noajthan]

If you want to apply on the basis of being a worker whilst you were at uni you need to show the work was genuine and effective rather than supplementary (to being a student) and marginal.

Ok, but since I've been a student only for 4 years, can I say that I was working full time for the rest of the time? Otherwise I don't know what I could do.

You can't just 'say' anything. That won't fly.

if you have rock-solid proof as a student for 4 years (with CSI/EHIC) and as a worker for 1 year then that is fine. The supporting evidence is vital.

[stella11]

You can't just 'say' anything. That won't fly.

if you have rock-solid proof as a student for 4 years (with CSI/EHIC) and as a worker for 1 year then that is fine. The supporting evidence is vital.

oh yeah of course I can do that!
that's great thank you!

[stella11]

Hi, I'm an Italian citizen who is thinking of applying for a PR card.
I've already submitted some questions regarding my status as I have worked full time in uk for more than a year and then started my 4 years university programme.
Reading some guide that a some very nice person sent me, it is clear that to be qualified as a student I need:
a)proof of enrollment in a qualified institution
b)proof that I have enough money to sustain myself (I seem to understand that this changes according to the person, rent and utilities, right?)
c)a EHIC which I have. The only problem with it, though, is that it doesn't say when it was issued, all I could find on the Internet is that the Italian government issued one to every citizens once Italy became part of EU.
My other question regarding this 4 years period of time is wheather I will also have to show proof of residence or university enrollment would be enough?
Lastly, to prove that I was working for a year previous to my studies, will my payslip be enough? I couldn't find any contract and all I have is payslip and P60 from H&R.
Finally, since I haven't kept any of my house contracts, will it be acceptable to send a letter from my ex landlord, confirming that I have lived in his property for a year?
Hope someone will be able to answer, thank you!

[noajthan]

Posts merged.

No need for multiple posts.

[Wise]

Don't complicate yourself with paperwork if you are going for DIY.

As you have been advised just get your documents together.
1, Your passport/ID
2,Any proof of address you have that can show each year throughout you stay in UK and can be two in a year
3,Current proof of address e.g any utility bill.
4,Most important is your treaty right. Wage slip, P45, P60, of any part time work you claim you have done.
5,Your EHIC for student purposes and your student paperwork e.g cert, offer of course and admission just
try and get something you can use to convince that you're a student for years you will like to claim and
make sure you make your both application and all documents simple/orderly with writing label on them for any caseworker to feel at easy to go through it all.
6,Application fee and follow the instructions in the application guidance .

Good Luck.

[stella11]

Thank you for your answer.
My big problem at the moment is to find proof of address for my first year of residence as I don't think I have any, beside old bank statement that I can download online... any idea what else I could use?

[noajthan]

Thank you for your answer.
My big problem at the moment is to find proof of address for my first year of residence as I don't think I have any, beside old bank statement that I can download online... any idea what else I could use?

We don't know what's at the back of your drawer or in that old suitcase under the bed.

Follow the guidance; if you don't have such proof contact places / organisations for copies of letters/proof.

Pro tip: look ahead to requirements for your next application ( and the one after that);
organise and engineer your life to generate papertrail;

Keep scans/copies of (almost) everything. For ever (or at least until you reach the holy grail of your British passport).

[stella11]

Yeah you're right, silly me.
Thanks!

[Wise]

It could be any letter as well just to proof you're in UK. Also if you choose to use any bank statement printed online all you need is to make sure that the bank actually put their official stamp on it all, otherwise the HO can be funny.

Good luck