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Yes, spot on.cindy88 wrote:Hello everyone,
I'm applying for PR doc and in section 5 I must give details of absences from UK since entered.
I entered the UK in 2007 and I'd like to provide evidence of my permanent residence (my QP) from 2008 until 2013.
However question 5.3 seems to ask for all the absences since entering the UK, regardless of our QP, am I correct?
Thank you for your time and help.
Regards
C.
Yes, I am sure.cindy88 wrote:Hi Noajthan,
thanks again for taking the time to reply.
So according to what you said, what are the chances of my application (which is going to be a joint one with my hubby as main applicant) being successful?
This is my situation.
Husband main applicant, I'm going to apply as his spouse.
Arrived in the UK in Aug 2007:absences from the UK until Dec 2013 were about 20 days
December 2013 until Jan 2015: one long absence of about 390 days. I had to go back to Italy with my then 2 year old son to look after a close relative, it was an emergency ( I agree, a long one), my husband didn't leave, he stayed here, also because we didn't intend to leave and I did return eventually.
Now, the qualifying period I wish to provide evidence for runs from May 2008 until May 2013, according to what you are saying I would still need to include this long absence which occurs after my QP. Are you sure? Forgive me, I do not want to sound impolite, but then, why having a qualifying period then?
Since I'm at it, I've noticed that there isn't any place in the PR form where I indicate the chosen qualifying period, is that so? I mean, I realize that the caseworker will look at the evidence provided...
I'm applying as direct family member so which parts of the form am I suppose to fill in?? Could you please be accurate, many thanks.
One more thing and I should be done (at least for tonight ) in Section 17 I must state what ties the main applicant has with country he was born... what am I supposed to write in this table?
A Big Thank you
Regards
C.
Shall I include them?If you’re applying as the current spouse or civil partner of an EEA national (or of a British citizen, if you’re applying under the Surinder Singh route), you do not have to prove you have been living together but it will assist your application if you do.
Shall I include them anyway?
If you’re applying as the current spouse or civil partner of an EEA national (or of a British citizen, if you’re applying under the Surinder Singh route), you do not have to prove you have been living together but it will assist your application if you do.
Yes if applying as a dependent rather than in own right you start from when relevant relationship with sponsor started (in your case: wedding); that is assuming you were both in UK then and sponsor was a qualified person.cindy88 wrote:Hello,
I'm reapplying for PR as EEA family member (our previous joint application was successful only for my husband, while mine was not. We chose 2008-2013 as relevant period, but caseworker told me that since I applied as spouse of EEA AND we got married in 2010, I should've provided evidence from 2010-2015).
In my new application I'm using my husband as sponsor a...
Could anyone please tell me whether I'm missing anything? Your help is really appreciated.
Kind Regards
C.
No it doesn't matter if he was a qualified person even before acquiring PR. And he must have been in order to acquire PR in that period.cindy88 wrote:Hi noajthan, thanks for your answer and the link.
My husband acquired PR status in May 2013 (document was issued last week) so when we got married (in 2010) he didn't have PR status yet, does it matter?
Thanks again
C.
You can not rely on a 2010-15 qualifying period because your 390 day absence resets your residence clock to zero. So, your PR clock would have restarted from zero in January 2015 if you had not acquired PR before December 2013.cindy88 wrote:December 2013 until Jan 2015: one long absence of about 390 days. I had to go back to Italy with my then 2 year old son to look after a close relative, it was an emergency ( I agree, a long one),
yes I did make it clear in my previous application that I left the country from Dec 2013 until Jan 2015, and then sorry, isn't the limit of absence 450 days over 5 years? If I'm wrong could you please point me to an official document? Thank.The later period (2010+) since fails as your continuity of residence in UK was broken due to prolonged absence.
This was not made clear when you decided to shoot for a later period following caseworker feedback on the initial failed application
So, can I apply in my own right? Even if I was dependent of my husband (before getting married, I mean 2007-2012) and I show bank balances (in both my husband and my name), could it work? I studied over that period...could you please help again??So, it all boils down to what you did between 2007 and 2010. Assuming that you are an EEA national, did you exercise treaty rights between the time you entered the UK (2007) and marrying your husband? If so, how?
That is the requirement for naturalisation. However, the requirements for PR are different. Continuity of Residence is broken if there is an absence of more than six months in the year. You are allowed "one absence from the United Kingdom not exceeding twelve months for an important reason such as pregnancy and childbirth, serious illness, study or vocational training or an overseas posting." (Regulation 3(2)(c))cindy88 wrote:isn't the limit of absence 450 days over 5 years?
I didn't work but I studied and I had my European Health Insurance Card, however it seems not clear whether this card would be considered valid evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance by the HO. I might try to contact the HO and ask them....a) Did you work (continuously) between 2007 & 2010?
Could you please elaborate on this? So, if my husband acquired British citizenship before I acquired PR he wouldn't be able to be my sponsor in my PR application, but, how would I then be able to apply? why wouldn't a British citizen be able to sponsor me, would I need to get another sponsor? Could you please be so kind to point me to the Eu regulations about this matter, many thanks.Make absolutely sure that your husband does not apply for British citizenship before you get your PR (in January 2020, according to my calculations). If he acquires British citizenship, his sponsorship of you under EU law will cease.
Clearly, if no sponsor, and no way that the holy grail of PR status was acquired in own right, then its going to be curtains if remaining sponsor naturalises at the 'wrong' time.EEA nationals who are also British citizens are not considered to be ‘EEA nationals’ for the purposes of the Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 (‘the Regulations’). This applies whether or not the British citizen has always resided in the UK.
A family member of a dual EEA national and British citizen does not have a right of residence under the regulations on the basis of their relationship to the dual national.
If they do not have a right of residence on any other basis under the regulations, they will need leave to enter or remain in the UK under the Immigration Rules.