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ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

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ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by veecee2013 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:05 pm

My wife holds flr(fp) visa(10 year parent route) she was granted based on her daughter who is a british citizen(5 years next month).Her daughter who is also my step daughter resides with me and we have been living together since February. I am presently on a tier 4 student visa and have been lawful in the uk for 7 years.

My question is,now my student visa is about to expire and as my wife is not considered as a settled person in the uk,can I apply as her dependant or rely on her visa?The child was from her previous relationship (never married) to the British national.

If am eligible could you please enlighten me on my chances?If not,are there other categories I could switch into to remain?Am more interested to know about my eligibility to depend on her as I seem to have maximised my 5 year study rule in UK?

I will appreciate the quick responses as my visa is going to expire soon and we have to take a quick decision.

Thank you in anticipation of your assistance.

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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HO

Post by noajthan » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:39 pm

You must have known about 5 year rule for some time.

How about Tier 2 in your own right?
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Post by Obie » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:58 pm

Well, your option will be Tier 2 or FLR(FP).

FLR(FP) is 50/50 success on application . Depend on if they consider the circumstances of the family outside the rules.

Unfortunately you dont qualify as a parent, as the father of the child is still alive.

If case is refused, there is a better prospect of Succeeding under 117B(6) on appeal. As that provision does not preclude your from qualifying, as you have a Genuine and Subsisting Family relationship with a qualifying child.
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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HO

Post by veecee2013 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:36 pm

Obie wrote:Well, your option will be Tier 2 or FLR(FP).

FLR(FP) is 50/50 success on application . Depend on if they consider the circumstances of the family outside the rules.

Unfortunately you dont qualify as a parent, as the father of the child is still alive.

If case is refused, there is a better prospect of Succeeding under 117B(6) on appeal. As that provision does not preclude your from qualifying, as you have a Genuine and Subsisting Family relationship with a qualifying child.
Thanks Obie. She recently renewed her further leave to remain at a premium centre and I was included as her dependant.However, after we both did biometrics at the centre, she was granted but my application was returned as void.And I was told all my money would be returned which they did within few day.I was also given a letter saying my application is not a type processed by this office and shouldnt have been submitted here.And that am not eligible to depend on her as she cannot sponsor me.My solicitor insist that it is permissible but really worried as I feel I just got lucky the first time.That what they meant is that we should send by post. For the FLR(FP) partner route do we need to meet the income threshold?

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Post by Obie » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:38 pm

The solicitor clearly did not state the case properly as she cannot be a sponsor.
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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HO

Post by veecee2013 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:06 am

Obie wrote:The solicitor clearly did not state the case properly as she cannot be a sponsor.
Would she need to meet the income threshold for the FLR(FP) Partner route as she is on the 10 parent route ?

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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by veecee2013 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:17 pm

I wonder if anyone can help. I have been refused my FLR(FP) based on family and private life with my partner and british step daughter from her previous relationship.She has limited leave to remain as parent and we all leave together as a family unit. I have been given a right of appeal which I would be exercising but will appreciate any information/guidance /experience/ or direction with regards to the refusal.

Thanks in advance for your help and pls find an extract of the decision letter below...

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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by veecee2013 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:19 pm

Dear Mr xxxxxx,
Your application and human right claim made on xx xxxx is refused.
What this means for you
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
The reason for this decision are set out on the next page
On xxxx date you made a human right claim in an application for leave to remain in the UK on an FLR(FP) on the basis of your family life with your partner xxxx and step child xxxxxx
Your application has been considered under those rules , and with reference to Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Right(ECHR). The relevant rules can be viewed on gov.uk here www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules.
This decision takes into account as a primary consideration the best interest of any relevant child in line with the secretary of state's duty under section 55 of the borders ,citizenship and immigration Act 2009.
Consideration
Immigration History
I have been lawfully present
Family Life
You have told us that you are in a relationship in the Uk with your partner who is named above, As you are eligible to apply as a partner under Appendix FM, we have considered your claim under the 10 year partner route and not the parent route.
We have considered your application under paragraphs R-LTRP.1.1. (a), (b) and (d) of Appendix FM. However, you do not qualify for leave to remain under the 10-year partner route for the following reasons.
Suitability
Under paragraph R-LTRP.1.1.(d)(i), your application does not fall for refusal on grounds of suitability under section S-LTR of Appendix FM.
Eligibility
Under paragraph R-LTRP.1.1.(d)(ii), you do not meet all of the eligibility requirements for Section E-LTRP of Appendix FM for the following reasons:

Eligibility Relationship Requirement

You do not meet the eligbility relationship requirment paragraphs E-LTRP.1.1 to 1.12 because your partner is not a British Citizen,settled in the UK or is in the UK with refugee leave or humanitarian protection.
You therefore fail to meet the requirement of paragraph E-LTRP 1.2. of Appendix FM of the Immigration Rules.
Eligibility Immigration Status Requirement
You meet the eligibility immigration status requirement paragraph E-LTRP.2.1. to 2.2

Ex.1. Requirement

We have considered whether you are exempt from meeting certain eligibility requirements under Section R-LTRP of Appendix FM because paragraph EX.1. applies

We have carefully considered whether paragraph EX.1. of Appendix FM applies to your application, and therefore whether you meet the requirements of paragraph R-LTRP.1.1(d)(iii) of Appendix FM.
It is accepted that you have a qualifying relationship contained within EX.1 and therefore meet therequirements of R-LTRP.1.1.(d)(iii)
Private Life

We have considered your application under the private life Rules under paragraph 276ADE(1) in Part 7 of the Immigration Rules.However,you do not qualify for leave to remain under the 10 year private life route for the following reason:
xxxxxxxxxx

Exceptional Circumstances

We have considered,under paragraph GEN.3.2 of Appendix FM as applicable,whether there are exceptional circumstances in your case which would render a refusal a breach of Article 8 of the ECHR because it would result in unjustifiably harsh consequences for you,your partner ,a relevant child or another family member.In so doing, we have taken into account,under paragraph GEN.3.3 of Appendix FM,the best interests of any relevant child as primary consideration.
Based on the information you have provided we have decided there are no such exceptional circumstances in your case.

You have told us that you are married to a xxxxx and have a parental relationship with a British Step-child in the UK.This has been carefully considered.

Consideration has also been given to section 55 of the Borders,Citizenship and Immigration Act 2009(duty regarding the welfare of children). The duty to have regard to the need to safeguard and promote the welfare of children requires us to consider the effect on any children of a decision to exclude, or deport, against the need to maintain the integrity of immigration control.

Our aim is always to carry out enforcement of the immigration rules with the minimum possible interference with a family's private life,and in particular to enable a family to maintain continuity of care and development of the children in ways that are compatible with the immigration laws.It is generally accepted that th best interests of a child are served by their remaining with their biological parent or parents.This represents the centrality of a child's relationship with their parent in determining their wellbeing.

It is submitted that you do not have primary parental responsibility of XXXXX,since she reside in the UK with their biological parent,who has leave to remain.It is therefore noted that if you were to have to leave the UK,they could continue to reside here.The refusal of your application does not seperate any children from their biological parents, and does not obligate xxxxx xxxxx to leave the United Kingdom.
It has therefore been decided that it is both reasonable and section 55 complaint for xxx xxxxx to remain in the UK with their biological parents(s).

In light of the above,your application is refused under paragraph D-LTRP.1.3 with reference to paragraph R-LTRP.1.1. (d)(ii) and (iii) of Appendix FM, and under paragraph 276 CE with reference to paragraph 276ADE(1)(iii),(iv),(v),and (vi) of the Immigration Rules.Accordingly, you do not qualify for leave to remain under the 10-year partner route of Appendix FM, or the 10-year private life route of Part 7 of the Immigration Rules.

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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by Obie » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:51 am

Well I did indicated in my advice to you that this may be a likely outcome.
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Post by veecee2013 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:13 pm

Thanks for your response and guidance Obie. Based on time constraints and some other factors it was the only option I could follow up.I am going into the appeal face now...and based on your previous advice you said there might be abit more chance of success.However,the refusal letter seem confusing given under family life he accepted paragraph Ex.1 applies and the home office accepts I have a qualifying relationship contained within Ex.1 and therefore meet the requirement of R-LTRP1.1 d(iii).And from there goes straight to private life and just to conclude I dont have a primary parental relationship and that my wife and Child can continue to leave here without me(separation). I will just like to know if any one has any experience with a similar case and if there is any advise going to the appeal? We are also a family unit of 3 different nationalities and have never visited my partner or her visiting my country.Will like to know if this can be taken as an insurmountable obstacle and also the fact my step daughter will loose once in a month contact she enjoys with her Father?Thank you

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Post by Obie » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:23 pm

Essentially they said the child is not been compelled to abandon his or her biological parent.

That you can go to your home country whiles they remain in the UK.
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Post by veecee2013 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:02 pm

Thanks Obie

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Post by Obie » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:11 pm

For completeness, the question of insurmountable obstacle does not apply as they are of the view that your partner is incapable of sponsoring you, as she is not a settled person, nor does she have refugee status in the UK.
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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by veecee2013 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:25 pm

So with the appeal there is little chance of success as well? From my little research....I dont know if i can argue based on the fact that it breaks my away from my family unit(impact on my wife and step daughter) and when weighed against public interest it would not be proportionate based on the following?...

-Lawful throughout my stay and when I entered into the relationship
- Financially independent
- No criminality
- Also have the required English language for integration purpose

Thanks for all your response

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Post by Obie » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:31 pm

Well the only person you may derive rights from is your step daughter. Whether her best interest will be undermined by your absence.

It will depend on the strength of the case put forward.

The caselaw has moved on a lot since my advice in the summer.

Do you have section 3C at Present?
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Post by veecee2013 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:51 pm

Yes am presently on Section 3C

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Post by veecee2013 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:30 pm

I am gathering more evidence showing my active role in my step daughters life and also the bond we share.And also to answer your question, i have section 3C at present.

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Re: ADVICE & GUIDANCE REQUIRED PLS: SPOUSE OF FLR(FP)VISA HOLDER

Post by veecee2013 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:30 am

Thanks for all your reply Obie. But can section 3c help in anyway or ?

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