Register children born in UK - parent with PR

[erunkulu2]

Please I needed urgent help!!!

I've just received my Permanent Resident (PR) few days ago and will like to register my two children born before getting my PR. Both child's are born by different mothers and both of them don't have a settled status here in the UK.

My greatest fear is that I was thinking of applying for both kids at a time using MN1 as they qualified under section 1(3) or do the eldest one first then do the second one afterwards because I don't want to complicate my application.

Please I need urgent help as my greatest fear is refusal based on the fact that I have both of them within a year.

Please help me with any kind of advice that will be helpful.

[noajthan]

To avoid confusion & jumbled responses, I have moved your question to its own thread (this one).

[vinny]

Are any of the mothers married to someone else?

[noajthan]

Why is it so urgent?

When were children born?

When did you acquire PR (status)?

When was PR card issued?

Were you/are you married to mother/s?

Are you named on birth certificates?

[erunkulu2]

Why is it so urgent?

When were children born?

When did you acquire PR (status)?

When was PR card issued?

Were you/are you married to mother/s?

Are you named on birth certificates?

*I want to make the application because of the price as it was changed from £700+ to £936.

* The eldest was born Oct/2015 and March/16

* last week (07/08/16).

* I was married to the second baby mother

* Yes, my name on both.

[Casa]

You may find this article by Freemovement informative regarding proving paternity of your child with the mother to whom you aren't married.
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/proving ... tificates/

You don't have the option to pay the registrations at the lower fee.

[erunkulu2]

Are any of the mothers married to someone else?

My first was married while I'm married to the second lady involve.

[Casa]

Are any of the mothers married to someone else?

My first was married while I'm married to the second lady involve.

Difficult to understand your post. Are you saying that one of the mothers was married to someone else at the time of the child's birth?

[noajthan]

*I want to make the application because of the price as it was changed from £700+ to £936.

* The eldest was born Oct/2015 and March/16

* last week (07/08/16).

* I was married to the second baby mother

* Yes, my name on both.

Do you mean your PR card arrived last week?

If so, when did you actually acquire PR status? Was it before or after the children were born?

Note That date of acquisition of status is different from the date you got a card - that card simply confirms such a status.

[erunkulu2]

*I want to make the application because of the price as it was changed from £700+ to £936.

* The eldest was born Oct/2015 and March/16

* last week (07/08/16).

* I was married to the second baby mother

* Yes, my name on both.

Do you mean your PR card arrived last week?

If so, when did you actually acquire PR status? Was it before or after the children were born?

Note That date of acquisition of status is different from the date you got a card - that card simply confirms such a status.

Yes my PR just arrived last week after both child was born.

[erunkulu2]

Are any of the mothers married to someone else?

My first was married while I'm married to the second lady involve.

Difficult to understand your post. Are you saying that one of the mothers was married to someone else at the time of the child's birth?

Sorry....one of the mother was still married to someone else at the time of child birth. The other one I live with was married to me before I had the second one in March 2016.

[erunkulu2]

*I want to make the application because of the price as it was changed from £700+ to £936.

* The eldest was born Oct/2015 and March/16

* last week (07/08/16).

* I was married to the second baby mother

* Yes, my name on both.

Do you mean your PR card arrived last week?

If so, when did you actually acquire PR status? Was it before or after the children were born?

Note That date of acquisition of status is different from the date you got a card - that card simply confirms such a status.

My card arrived on Saturday but I saw it on Sunday 7th of August. Sorry for the confusion.

I hope I made it clear to you now. I was only telling you the day I got the card not issued date from HO

[noajthan]

Do you mean your PR card arrived last week?

If so, when did you actually acquire PR status? Was it before or after the children were born?

Note That date of acquisition of status is different from the date you got a card - that card simply confirms such a status.

Yes my PR just arrived last week after both child was born.

Your PR card is not really the most important factor.
If the card came last week then you could have acquired the actual PR status around 6 months ago.
If you did and it was actually before the second child's birth then that child, at least, will be automatically British.

So its important to figure out when you acquired PR status (not just the card).

[Casa]

Also, while we have your attention can you confirm whether the mother of your first child was married to someone else when the child was born? This is crucial to whether you are recognised under British law to be the father.

[erunkulu2]

Also, while we have your attention can you confirm whether the mother of your first child was married to someone else when the child was born? This is crucial to whether you are recognised under British law to be the father.

Yes she was married to someone else when the child was born

[erunkulu2]

Do you mean your PR card arrived last week?

If so, when did you actually acquire PR status? Was it before or after the children were born?

Note That date of acquisition of status is different from the date you got a card - that card simply confirms such a status.

Yes my PR just arrived last week after both child was born.

Your PR card is not really the most important factor.
If the card came last week then you could have acquired the actual PR status around 6 months ago.
If you did and it was actually before the second child's birth then that child, at least, will be automatically British.

So its important to figure out when you acquired PR status (not just the card).

I looked at the card now and it was actually issued on the 3rd of August . Before I got this PR I have retain right of resident over a year plus.

[noajthan]

I looked at the card now and it was actually issued on the 3rd of August . Before I got this PR I have retain right of resident over a year plus.

To figure out if you had PR status before child's DoB in March this year you will need to post your timeline.

And/or request a SAR from UKVI to see what HO has recorded about you in their CID databanks.

[Casa]

Sorry I missed your earlier confirmation about the marriage of the first child's mother. Regrettably, under British law you are not considered to be this child's mother as her husband will be. This is despite your name being on the birth certificate. This means that you are unable to register the child as British through your PR.
Follow noajthan's advise for your second child.

[erunkulu2]

On my documents I received a letter stated that the PR was granted 22nd of July 2016. Is that what you mean about the timeline??? Sorry I don't get you properly. Please can you explain better.

[noajthan]

On my documents I received a letter stated that the PR was granted 22nd of July 2016. Is that what you mean about the timeline??? Sorry I don't get you properly. Please can you explain better.

PR is not granted. It is acquired.
The card only confirms that status - it does not grant or confer any rights.

The date of issue of the physical card is not (usually) the date you acquired your PR status.
Date of acquisition could have been 6 months or more earlier. Or, in some cases, years earlier than the card.

When you acquired that status is important in relation to your second child.

To get a rough idea, how long had your previous EEA sponsor been exercising treaty rights before you got ROR?
How long had you been exercising treaty rights after getting ROR?
And when did you send off your application for confirmation of PR?

Anyway, to be really sure of correct date, suggest request a SAR from UKVI to find out.

[erunkulu2]

My previous EEA has been exercising treaty rights way back in January 2010 up till we got divorced in 2014.

I have been exercising treaty rights since 2014

i sent it of February 2016.

Please i will like you to explain what to do if i eventually get the SAR request and how to understand what i need to look out for and what would you suggest if i have PR before i had my second child, what will be his status???

I will appreciate all this information. Thanks for your help???

[noajthan]

My previous EEA has been exercising treaty rights way back in January 2010 up till we got divorced in 2014.

I have been exercising treaty rights since 2014

i sent it of February 2016.

Please i will like you to explain what to do if i eventually get the SAR request and how to understand what i need to look out for and what would you suggest if i have PR before i had my second child, what will be his status???

I will appreciate all this information. Thanks for your help???

Now you're getting somewhere.

It appears you would have acquired PR status sometime in 2015.

When did you marry?
When was divorce absolute?

If you had PR in 2015 then child #2 is clearly British.
Remember I don't mean the card I mean the status.

Child #1 may be too - it depends on answers to above questions.

If you got PR before October then child #1 is British too.
However you do still have the challenge of paternity for child #1 (as intimated by Moderator Casa).

Anyway, it still looks like you've smashed it - the hive mind of the forum has saved you £'00s.
Child #2 can apply directly for passport.
Start here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... plications

If you still want to see what HO CID records as your date of acquisition of PR then request a SAR here (it'll cost you £10):
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... mmigration

[Casa]

@noajthan I don't believe the first child can be registered as a British citizen as it appears that he wasn't married to the child's mother and she was married to someone else when the child was born.

I have a feeling there may be three women involved here.
1.The EEA spouse (his sponsor)
2.The mother of the first child (with another husband)
3.The mother of his second child (his present wife).
Perhaps the OP can confirm or correct that.

[noajthan]

@noajthan I don't believe the first child can be registered as a British citizen as it appears that he wasn't married to the child's mother and she was married to someone else when the child was born.

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Understood Casa. I only tried to clarify timings for if/when OP is recognised as the concerned parent.

[erunkulu2]

I got married in September 2010 to my sponsor

Divorce absolute May 2014 and i put in for Retain right of Residence ROR same year and was granted in June 2014.