ESC

Click the "allow" button if you want to receive important news and updates from immigrationboards.com


Immigrationboards.com: Immigration, work visa and work permit discussion board

Welcome to immigrationboards.com!

Login Register Do not show

Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Use this section for any queries concerning the EU Settlement Scheme, for applicants holding pre-settled and settled status.

Moderators: Casa, John, ChetanOjha, archigabe, CR001, push, JAJ, ca.funke, Amber, zimba, vinny, Obie, EUsmileWEallsmile, batleykhan, meself2, geriatrix

Locked
gillacious_505
Member
Posts: 125
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:34 pm

Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by gillacious_505 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:45 pm

Hello my Dear members,

-What would be really helpful to me and some other people in my situation if they can discuss some cases here on the forum where they successfully obtained PR based on dependency particularly the direct descendants or discuss some precedents.

-I am saying so because I want to know in particularly whether having a job within the 5 year Residence card have any impact on the PR.

- What were the documents attached for obtaining the PR. Do you think having the letters on the same address as the sponsor would suffice the purpose that the EEA dependent was part of the same household as sponsor.


Thanks in advance

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by noajthan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:25 pm

All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

gillacious_505
Member
Posts: 125
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:34 pm

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by gillacious_505 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:08 pm


Hi noajthan,
My question actually derived from the query discussed above in the post. However that post only discusses about the caselaw.

What would be really helpful is if you or someone else could point to the post where the residence card holder obtained PR as a dependent and if they worked during the 5 year period.

noajthan
Moderator
Posts: 14911
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:31 pm
Location: UK

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by noajthan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:25 pm

gillacious_505 wrote:

Hi noajthan,
My question actually derived from the query discussed above in the post. However that post only discusses about the caselaw.

What would be really helpful is if you or someone else could point to the post where the residence card holder obtained PR as a dependent and if they worked during the 5 year period.
In that case its just a case of searching the forum really.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

Obie
Moderator
Posts: 15163
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:06 am
Location: UK/Ireland
Ireland

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by Obie » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:34 pm

gillacious_505 wrote:

Hi noajthan,
My question actually derived from the query discussed above in the post. However that post only discusses about the caselaw.

What would be really helpful is if you or someone else could point to the post where the residence card holder obtained PR as a dependent and if they worked during the 5 year period.
You may work, however as senseless as it sound, you need to maintain dependency on the EU citizen, if you reside with her in a house where she pays the rent, then you should be fine.
Smooth seas do not make skilful sailors

gillacious_505
Member
Posts: 125
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:34 pm

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by gillacious_505 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:14 pm

Obie wrote:
gillacious_505 wrote:

Hi noajthan,
My question actually derived from the query discussed above in the post. However that post only discusses about the caselaw.

What would be really helpful is if you or someone else could point to the post where the residence card holder obtained PR as a dependent and if they worked during the 5 year period.
You may work, however as senseless as it sound, you need to maintain dependency on the EU citizen, if you reside with her in a house where she pays the rent, then you should be fine.
This is perhaps one of the most ambiguous points of the directives. And it indeed sounds senseless. So what if the direct descendant wants to marry in that 5 year residence card period?
I did indeed tried to search for those dependent based precedents where people got PR but really couldn't find one. :?

Obie
Moderator
Posts: 15163
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:06 am
Location: UK/Ireland
Ireland

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by Obie » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:26 pm

You would not find one, as one does not exit.

The Last case on this Matter was Secretary of State for the Home Department v Ojo [2015] EWCA Civ 1301 (16 December 2015)].

There has to be continuous dependency.

I don't personally thing Ojo is good law, but it is what the court says.

I have argued that OJo was a different case, and it was dealt with per incurium , without knowledge of REYES.

However home office is still contending the scope of Reyes is not as wide, as i will seek to make it.

We shall see how the case law develops.
Smooth seas do not make skilful sailors

gillacious_505
Member
Posts: 125
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:34 pm

Re: Dependency Based PR Precedents!

Post by gillacious_505 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:05 pm

Obie wrote:You would not find one, as one does not exit.

The Last case on this Matter was Secretary of State for the Home Department v Ojo [2015] EWCA Civ 1301 (16 December 2015)].

There has to be continuous dependency.

I don't personally thing Ojo is good law, but it is what the court says.

I have argued that OJo was a different case, and it was dealt with per incurium , without knowledge of REYES.

However home office is still contending the scope of Reyes is not as wide, as i will seek to make it.

We shall see how the case law develops.
Thanks Obie for sharing various case laws. So in essence this won't be a straightforward case.

Do you reckon working and living in the same household would be a safe thing to do?

Or do you think one should not work at all to be on the safe side?

Locked