P60 and payslip

[sam2016]

I am new on this forum but have been following it since last few months, my entrepreneur visa extension is due by next month , I got my visa in october 2013 on 50K route, I have got 3 employees since Feb 2014 till now , I have changed my accountant in June 2014, from june 2014 to march 2015 my accountant has submitted my employees payrole and only sent their payslips. By the end of financial year march 2015 he had provided P60 of each employee (April 2014 to March 2015)

Now my question is that my previous accountant had provided me employees payslips only(june 2014-march 2015) he is saying that he had used old software , is it workable if i dont have FPS and RTi of that period(june2014-march 2015)

looking forward to expert advice please.

thanks
SAM

[raj.m]

I am new on this forum but have been following it since last few months, my entrepreneur visa extension is due by next month , I got my visa in october 2013 on 50K route, I have got 3 employees since Feb 2014 till now , I have changed my accountant in June 2014, from june 2014 to march 2015 my accountant has submitted my employees payrole and only sent their payslips. By the end of financial year march 2015 he had provided P60 of each employee (April 2014 to March 2015)

Now my question is that my previous accountant had provided me employees payslips only(june 2014-march 2015) he is saying that he had used old software , is it workable if i dont have FPS and RTi of that period(june2014-march 2015)

looking forward to expert advice please.

thanks
SAM

Hi Sam

FPS/RTI is mandatory. Without this, your application will be rejected. Mine was rejected for not sending the FPS reports. It got overturned eventually at the admin review stage but that's only because I had sent so many other documents which were enough for them to check employee details. However, I would strongly advise you to get hold of each and every FPS/RTI report. Get the backup from your previous accountant and get someone else to generate the reports for you. Even if its old software, your previous accountant would still be able to generate these reports. There is no way around this. You must send FPS reports. I cannot stress enough how important these are.

[awan905]

I am new on this forum but have been following it since last few months, my entrepreneur visa extension is due by next month , I got my visa in october 2013 on 50K route, I have got 3 employees since Feb 2014 till now , I have changed my accountant in June 2014, from june 2014 to march 2015 my accountant has submitted my employees payrole and only sent their payslips. By the end of financial year march 2015 he had provided P60 of each employee (April 2014 to March 2015)

Now my question is that my previous accountant had provided me employees payslips only(june 2014-march 2015) he is saying that he had used old software , is it workable if i dont have FPS and RTi of that period(june2014-march 2015)

looking forward to expert advice please.

thanks
SAM

Hi Sam

FPS/RTI is mandatory. Without this, your application will be rejected. Mine was rejected for not sending the FPS reports. It got overturned eventually at the admin review stage but that's only because I had sent so many other documents which were enough for them to check employee details. However, I would strongly advise you to get hold of each and every FPS/RTI report. Get the backup from your previous accountant and get someone else to generate the reports for you. Even if its old software, your previous accountant would still be able to generate these reports. There is no way around this. You must send FPS reports. I cannot stress enough how important these are.

Raj.m is quite right here, even in my case though I submitted every thing but caseworker did not check them properly and now I will go for AR.

[zimba]

You must send FPS reports to prove you are reporting PAYE via RTI. However some payroll software do not produce them at all. For that you can prepare the FPS reports manually from the information you get from your company's P32 and your accountant.

See: http://www.immigrationboards.com/uk-tie ... 09974.html

[sam2016]

You must send FPS reports to prove you are reporting PAYE via RTI. However some payroll software do not produce them at all. For that you can prepare the FPS reports manually from the information you get from your company's P32 and your accountant.

See: http://www.immigrationboards.com/uk-tie ... 09974.html

Many Thank reply from Raj.m, awan905 and zimbad88.

Zimba88:
I have provided my payslip to my current account he has been generated RTI FULL Payment Submission (FPS). also He has generate report P32 and P11.

But he cannot generate Submission report as this payroll already submitted by the use of different software.
Also I have P60 and P45 of that year

Is that ok for the Home office Point of view?

Rest of the months I have everything PAYSLIPS,RTI, SUBMISSION REPORT.

[sam2016]

Many Thank reply from Raj.m, awan905 and zimbad88.

Zimba88:
I have provided my payslip to my current account he has been generated RTI FULL Payment Submission (FPS). also He has generate report P32 and P11.

But he cannot generate Submission report as this payroll already submitted by the use of different software.
Also I have P60 and P45 of that year

Is that ok for the Home office Point of view?

Rest of the months I have everything PAYSLIPS,RTI, SUBMISSION REPORT.

[zimba]

They never asked for submission reports, just FPS reports

[sam2016]

They never asked for submission reports, just FPS reports

You mean RTI FULL PAYMENT SUBMISSION (FPS) ?

[zimba]

They never asked for submission reports, just FPS reports

You mean RTI FULL PAYMENT SUBMISSION (FPS) ?

FPS report is what the software produces for you which has the details of what has been submitted via RTI

[sam2016]

They never asked for submission reports, just FPS reports

You mean RTI FULL PAYMENT SUBMISSION (FPS) ?

FPS report is what the software produces for you which has the details of what has been submitted via RTI

Zimeba88: My Previous accountant was using different software which was not generated any RTI reports, he was just emailed me how much I have to pay my payee. Now my current account has been generated TRI FULL PAYMENT SUBMISSION (FPS) to enter the exact record from the payslip of that period, and also generated P32 and P11.

Is that ok?

[zimba]

No, it is not ok. You need to send the FPS reports from the first month of hiring your employers. Please refer to the link I provided above

[sam2016]

No, it is not ok. You need to send the FPS reports from the first month of hiring your employers. Please refer to the link I provided above

Yes Zimba: I have FPS Report since my employees have started only few months was missing as I had changed the accountant. For those missing months my current accountant has generated FPS report through moneySoft Payroll software. Is that ok?

[zimba]

No, it is not ok. You need to send the FPS reports from the first month of hiring your employers. Please refer to the link I provided above

Yes Zimba: I have FPS Report since my employees have started only few months was missing as I had changed the accountant. For those missing months my current accountant has generated FPS report through moneySoft Payroll software. Is that ok?

Yes, as long as you have them you are good

[The Druid]

I am new on this forum but have been following it since last few months, my entrepreneur visa extension is due by next month , I got my visa in october 2013 on 50K route, I have got 3 employees since Feb 2014 till now , I have changed my accountant in June 2014, from june 2014 to march 2015 my accountant has submitted my employees payrole and only sent their payslips. By the end of financial year march 2015 he had provided P60 of each employee (April 2014 to March 2015)

Now my question is that my previous accountant had provided me employees payslips only(june 2014-march 2015) he is saying that he had used old software , is it workable if i dont have FPS and RTi of that period(june2014-march 2015)

looking forward to expert advice please.

thanks
SAM

Hi Sam

FPS/RTI is mandatory. Without this, your application will be rejected. Mine was rejected for not sending the FPS reports. It got overturned eventually at the admin review stage but that's only because I had sent so many other documents which were enough for them to check employee details. However, I would strongly advise you to get hold of each and every FPS/RTI report. Get the backup from your previous accountant and get someone else to generate the reports for you. Even if its old software, your previous accountant would still be able to generate these reports. There is no way around this. You must send FPS reports. I cannot stress enough how important these are.

hi ran are you saying all the old FPS can be regenerated ? My application was refused because the FPS had no start date for my employees, even though I have applied for AR am preparing to refile in case am not successful. I told my accountant to reproduce the FPS with start dates for each of my employees but he is saying it can't be done. Pls advice

[sam2016]

I have submitted PAYSLIPS,RTI, FPS, P45, P60, P32, P11.
There is no start date on RTI's. I have submitted all employees Joining Statements & Employees list. Clearly mentioned on the statements when these employees started.

I don't think there is any rule by Home Office that Start Date should be mention on RTI's

[awan905]

I am new on this forum but have been following it since last few months, my entrepreneur visa extension is due by next month , I got my visa in october 2013 on 50K route, I have got 3 employees since Feb 2014 till now , I have changed my accountant in June 2014, from june 2014 to march 2015 my accountant has submitted my employees payrole and only sent their payslips. By the end of financial year march 2015 he had provided P60 of each employee (April 2014 to March 2015)

Now my question is that my previous accountant had provided me employees payslips only(june 2014-march 2015) he is saying that he had used old software , is it workable if i dont have FPS and RTi of that period(june2014-march 2015)

looking forward to expert advice please.

thanks
SAM

Hi Sam

FPS/RTI is mandatory. Without this, your application will be rejected. Mine was rejected for not sending the FPS reports. It got overturned eventually at the admin review stage but that's only because I had sent so many other documents which were enough for them to check employee details. However, I would strongly advise you to get hold of each and every FPS/RTI report. Get the backup from your previous accountant and get someone else to generate the reports for you. Even if its old software, your previous accountant would still be able to generate these reports. There is no way around this. You must send FPS reports. I cannot stress enough how important these are.

hi ran are you saying all the old FPS can be regenerated ? My application was refused because the FPS had no start date for my employees, even though I have applied for AR am preparing to refile in case am not successful. I told my accountant to reproduce the FPS with start dates for each of my employees but he is saying it can't be done. Pls advice

When your accountant start filling RTI (from which date)?

[zimba]

I don't think there is any rule by Home Office that Start Date should be mention on RTI's

From Appendix A:

evidence to show the applicant is reporting Pay As You Earn (PAYE ) income tax appropriately to HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC), such as printouts of Employee Payment Records, Real Time-Full Payment Submissions (either a series of individual monthly submissions including the first submission or summaries), or original HM Revenue & Customs P45 or P46, which either together or individually show the total payments made to the settled workers, as well as the tax deducted and date which they started work with the applicant’s business;

[sam2016]

I don't think there is any rule by Home Office that Start Date should be mention on RTI's

From Appendix A:

evidence to show the applicant is reporting Pay As You Earn (PAYE ) income tax appropriately to HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC), such as printouts of Employee Payment Records, Real Time-Full Payment Submissions (either a series of individual monthly submissions including the first submission or summaries), or original HM Revenue & Customs P45 or P46, which either together or individually show the total payments made to the settled workers, as well as the tax deducted and date which they started work with the applicant’s business;

@Zimba88:
printouts of Employee Payment Records, Real Time-Full Payment Submissions (either a series of individual monthly submissions including the first submission or summaries:
Question1: Where they mentioned that Employee Start Date should be mentioned on the RTI's?

OR
or original HM Revenue & Customs P45 or P46, which either together or individually show the total payments made to the settled workers, as well as the tax deducted and date which they started work with the applicant’s business;
So if you provided P46 so P46 consist Employee Start date so there is no need for RTI''s with start employee Date.

There is no such Rule that RTI's must have Employee Start Date.

[zimba]

You cannot submit P46 as P46 is not acceptable/used for any employees after 2013 when RTI came into force. P46 is not used any more. Given that since 2013 EVERYBODY must legally report via RTI, you must submit FPS reports showing start/leaving dates as the rules demand. The current guide at page 75 clearly states this too.

[jafersadeq]

No, it is not ok. You need to send the FPS reports from the first month of hiring your employers. Please refer to the link I provided above

Dear Zimba,

Is the required FPS from the first month of reporting RTI for the company payrolls or from the first month of employing the two employee. Let us say we started reporting RTI from 1/1/2015 and continue as FPS just with director's salary till 1/8/2015 the date of starting the employment of the two employees. Which FPS required, is it from 1/1/2015 or from 1/8/2015.

Thanks

[zimba]

No, it is not ok. You need to send the FPS reports from the first month of hiring your employers. Please refer to the link I provided above

Dear Zimba,

Is the required FPS from the first month of reporting RTI for the company payrolls or from the first month of employing the two employee. Let us say we started reporting RTI from 1/1/2015 and continue as FPS just with director's salary till 1/8/2015 the date of starting the employment of the two employees. Which FPS required, is it from 1/1/2015 or from 1/8/2015.

Thanks

You need to submit ALL the FPS reports ONLY for the months which your are claiming points as well as for the months your employee started/left.

[sam2016]

Thanks Zimba,

Zimba is that necessary for those who join the existing business?

As I have submitted my extension on the same business which I have grant visa at first place, Since my business running fine and I am the only director of my company since the company incorporate.

I have submitted Payslip, RTI, fps, p60, p45, p32, and P11 of every year, Also I have submitted my all employees Joining statements, and in joining statement start date of my employees are there.

There is no Start Date on RTI or FPS is that going to be issue or it could be fine as I have submitted other documents where start date of employees can be find?

[zimba]

Thanks Zimba,

Zimba is that necessary for those who join the existing business?

As I have submitted my extension on the same business which I have grant visa at first place, Since my business running fine and I am the only director of my company since the company incorporate.

I have submitted Payslip, RTI, fps, p60, p45, p32, and P11 of every year, Also I have submitted my all employees Joining statements, and in joining statement start date of my employees are there.

There is no Start Date on RTI or FPS is that going to be issue or it could be fine as I have submitted other documents where start date of employees can be find?

It is for everyone. As far as I know, if the FPS report does NOT show the start dates then your application could be refused. This has been discussed many times on the forums and there are several refusals with this issue. HO does not accept alternative evidence. P60, P32, P11 or such documents are not accepted as they are not mentioned in the rules. Unfortunately HO is very specific about what is acceptable or not.

[sam2016]

@Zimba: Could we recreate RTI's with Employees start and end date on and send it them, does this work?, because I already submitted my application to them 4 week ago and biometric has been done a well?

[zimba]

See http://www.immigrationboards.com/uk-tie ... 09974.html