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Sorry manci, didn't quite get it. What does it mean in simple terms ?manci wrote:In this particular case the OP may be able to rely on EX.1(a) of Appendix FM.
Your wife does not have an 'EEA visa', its a 5 year residence card (RC).kostikson wrote:Would that be classed as change of circumstances to the application or it has to be proven true the tribunal appeal case ? I guess I have no option to get back to them with the request to provide justification behind their decision due to conflict in their response. Basically they are saying she breached the UK immigration law therefore application has been refused, but you can stay until you EEA residence card due date.
Also does that mean that european route is still open for my wife and she can try to apply for ILR in 2018 ??
noajthan wrote:Your wife does not have an 'EEA visa', its a 5 year residence card (RC).kostikson wrote:Would that be classed as change of circumstances to the application or it has to be proven true the tribunal appeal case ? I guess I have no option to get back to them with the request to provide justification behind their decision due to conflict in their response. Basically they are saying she breached the UK immigration law therefore application has been refused, but you can stay until you EEA residence card due date.
Also does that mean that european route is still open for my wife and she can try to apply for ILR in 2018 ??
If you wife is a non-EEA citizen she only has a right to remain/reside in UK on the basis of your sponsorship as an EEA citizen.
As you are now British it complicates matters.
Normally British citizens who are dual EEA citizens are not treated as EEA citizens (in this context) in UK law.
And yes, that's the case even before Brexit.
However there is a transitional arrangement (McCarthy) that enables you to continue to be considered as an EEA national and so continue to sponsor your wife.
It all depends when wife applied for any FP she used to enter UK.
And/or on the date of application and date of issue of her current RC.
What were those dates
See more on this vital matter in guidance here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s_v3_0.pdf
If you are indeed able to use this McCarthy arrangement then yes, wife may stay in UK on current EU migration trajectory.
That is, assuming no other hiccups and no prolonged absences from UK (and that you remain married to each other), your wife may acquire PR on 5th anniversary of residing in UK as your spouse.
So, perhaps sometime in 2017.
Next steps:
Check on RC dates. That is the Willie Wonka golden ticket you need.
Good luck and viva free movement!
Now it all depends on date when RC was applied for/issued.kostikson wrote:Thanks for response, now I realise that my situation is as clear as mud and I should have not apply for UK citizenship until my wife situation sorted ...
dates are as follows:
-TIER 4 Student Visa 25 August 2011 until January 2013 (she entered the country on 19 Sep 2011)
-Married when I was European November 2012
-EEA Residence Card January 2013 until February 2018
-I received UK passport February 2015
From 19 September she will be 5 years in UK.
Quote from the documentnoajthan wrote:Now it all depends on date when RC was applied for/issued.kostikson wrote:Thanks for response, now I realise that my situation is as clear as mud and I should have not apply for UK citizenship until my wife situation sorted ...
dates are as follows:
-TIER 4 Student Visa 25 August 2011 until January 2013 (she entered the country on 19 Sep 2011)
-Married when I was European November 2012
-EEA Residence Card January 2013 until February 2018
-I received UK passport February 2015
From 19 September she will be 5 years in UK.
Have you read the linked document to gain necessary background/understanding?
What were those dates for RC?
apart from the above did the letter say on which grounds your wife may appeal?kostikson wrote: Letter states that "If you believe we have made an error you can appeal to the First-Teir Tribunal"
It doesn't matter that you weren't BC at the time.kostikson wrote:Quote from the document
...
We applied for RC after 16 July 2012 and I was not British Citizen at that moment neither. Seems like this path is also closed to us....
They've attached ANNEX B that states the right of Appealmanci wrote:apart from the above did the letter say on which grounds your wife may appeal?kostikson wrote: Letter states that "If you believe we have made an error you can appeal to the First-Teir Tribunal"
Note that after a refusal decision there are only 14 days available to appeal.
noajthan wrote:It doesn't matter that you weren't BC at the time.kostikson wrote:Quote from the document
...
We applied for RC after 16 July 2012 and I was not British Citizen at that moment neither. Seems like this path is also closed to us....
The transitional arrangement applies to those who became BC later and so potentially disenfranchised their spouse.
But unfortunately you applied to late to avail of that lifeline option. So EU route and EU sponsorship of spouse is terminated now.
If anything can be done at all to resolve this its now all about UK domestic route.
I am not sure a transitional provision can be applied to circumstances that happened in the future.noajthan wrote:It doesn't matter that you weren't BC at the time.kostikson wrote:Quote from the document
...
We applied for RC after 16 July 2012 and I was not British Citizen at that moment neither. Seems like this path is also closed to us....
The transitional arrangement applies to those who became BC later and so potentially disenfranchised their spouse.
But unfortunately you applied to late to avail of that lifeline option. So EU route and EU sponsorship of spouse is terminated now.
If anything can be done at all to resolve this its now all about UK domestic route.
No matter how harsh, the refusal decision was according to the rules. IMHO the meeting with the MP and a complaint are unlikely to lead anywhere. The only element of the decision that could be challenged is the lack of insurmountable obstacles, as claimed by the HO, of you and your wife moving from the UK to Russia. This would depend on your personal circumstances. However, if you and your wife now have a BC child, which you didn't at the time of the original application, then considering EX.1(a) of Appendix FM an FLR(M) application should succeed. She can either appeal (cost£80) or re apply (cost £811). Unless there are some very special circumstances there is no leeway to the appeal timescale, form IAFT-1 must be received by the Tribunal no later than 14 Calendar days after she has been sent the refusal letter.kostikson wrote:They've attached ANNEX B that states the right of Appealmanci wrote:apart from the above did the letter say on which grounds your wife may appeal?kostikson wrote: Letter states that "If you believe we have made an error you can appeal to the First-Teir Tribunal"
Note that after a refusal decision there are only 14 days available to appeal.
"You have a right if appeal against the decision under section 82 of the nationality, immigration and Asylum act 2002 beacuse the secretary of state has decided to refuse your human rights claim"
Plan to meet with MP tomorrow and explain them my circumstance and Home Office decision, if no support will be provided then probably I will write a complaint letter true complaint service to request justification behind their decision.
Question is now if I don't appeal without 14 days, by stating that I've requested more information to understand grounds for decision can this be classed as a legal reason for missing 14 days appeal window ??
Prices went up ...manci wrote: No matter how harsh, the refusal decision was according to the rules. IMHO the meeting with the MP and a complaint are unlikely to lead anywhere. The only element of the decision that could be challenged is the lack of insurmountable obstacles, as claimed by the HO, of you and your wife moving from the UK to Russia. This would depend on your personal circumstances. However, if you and your wife now have a BC child, which you didn't at the time of the original application, then considering EX.1(a) of Appendix FM an FLR(M) application should succeed. She can either appeal (cost£80) or re apply (cost £811). Unless there are some very special circumstances there is no leeway to the appeal timescale, form IAFT-1 must be received by the Tribunal no later than 14 Calendar days after she has been sent the refusal letter.
https://formfinder.hmctsformfinder.just ... 01-eng.pdf
Appeals do take time but your wife is allowed to remain in the UK under her present status until 2018.
Obie, unfortunately for OP its moot without RC at the appropriate time.Obie wrote:I am not sure a transitional provision can be applied to circumstances that happened in the future.
In view of the recent increase in appeal costs, and since you have no experience in appeals and professional help would be costly, the easiest way for your wife to proceed would be just to re-apply (cost still £811).kostikson wrote:Prices went up ...manci wrote: No matter how harsh, the refusal decision was according to the rules. IMHO the meeting with the MP and a complaint are unlikely to lead anywhere. The only element of the decision that could be challenged is the lack of insurmountable obstacles, as claimed by the HO, of you and your wife moving from the UK to Russia. This would depend on your personal circumstances. However, if you and your wife now have a BC child, which you didn't at the time of the original application, then considering EX.1(a) of Appendix FM an FLR(M) application should succeed. She can either appeal (cost£80) or re apply (cost £811). Unless there are some very special circumstances there is no leeway to the appeal timescale, form IAFT-1 must be received by the Tribunal no later than 14 Calendar days after she has been sent the refusal letter.
https://formfinder.hmctsformfinder.just ... 01-eng.pdf
Appeals do take time but your wife is allowed to remain in the UK under her present status until 2018.
Fees
If your refusal letter is dated on or before 9 October 2016 it costs:
£80 without a hearing
£140 with a hearing
If your refusal letter is dated on or after 10 October 2016 it costs:
£490 without a hearing
£800 with a hearing