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Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by JadLab » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:04 pm

Hello, I'm a student living in France (of lebanese origins, so not european nationality) and I had applied twice for the 6 months visitor visa to go see my partner (British citizen) who lives in the UK.
The first time I was refused were for valid reasons, as I had not proved that I had sufficient funds to be able to visit the UK and that I had ties in my resident country, France.

The second time I was refused were for less than valid reasons, as I had showed through different means that I do not intend on staying in the United Kingdom, such as by an enrolment certificate, rent payments and access to public funds in France.

"The decision

I have refused your application for a visit visa because I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of paragraph(s) V4.2-V4.10 of Appendix V: Immigration Rules for Visitors because:

- You were refused a visa in the same category as this application on 28/09/16 (PARIS/XXXXXX refers). I have considered this application on its own merits and examined the documents you have submitted. I have also referred to the previous application. The onus is on you to qualify for entry clearance based on your own circumstances and your own intentions. I have considered the documents provided and written statements you have made, but I am not satisfied you have met the requirements of the Immigration Rules on this occasion.

- You state that you are a student in France. In support of this statement you have submitted an enrolment certificate dated 19/09/16 which states you are in your third year of studies. I note that the letter does not confirm your regular attendance. I am aware that the letter was produced at your own request and solely for the purpose of this visa application. You have failed to provide satisfactory evidence by way of receipts and transcripts to support your claim. Without sufficent evidence of your studies, I am not satisfied that you are settled and established as a student to ensure your departure from the UK.

In light of all of the above, the documents before me and on the balance of probabilities, I am not satisfied that your intentions in wishing to travel to the United Kingdom are as stated and that you will leave the UK at the end of your visit. Your application for a visit visa has been refused under paragraph V4.2(a)(c) of Appendix V."


Their only reasoning is that I have not showed that I have regular attendance, and thus that it's not enough evidence of my studies, so I would not ensure my return.
This is totally incomprehensible to both me and my partner. There is no reason for me to stay the UK for more than intended as I have ties to France.

Can anyone give advice on what to do and what documents to show?
The thing is they never stated this reason after my first application was refused. Are there any other grounds that they could refuse me on? It's already been twice now.

Thank you

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by noajthan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:16 pm

Yes, lots of grounds including:
Deception, too frequent visits, visits longer than stated, visits that are residing not visiting, frivolous applications & etc etc.

The key is always prove you will go 'home' and complementary evidence is required not just one document.
If you have a student life in France prove it with rock-solid evidence.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by JadLab » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:31 pm

Thank you for your reply!

Could you provide any advice on what evidence would work?
I really do not have plans on staying there, I just wish to visit my partner from time to time. The visits will not be that frequent. So what documents would I provide that I have a student life in France?

Furthermore, would the fact that I might use the Multiple Entry Visitor Visa to visit my partner more than once (during the 6 months validity) be a bad thing?

Thanks again

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by JadLab » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:44 pm

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I would really appreciate further advice on this. I tried contacting the "UK Visas and Immigration international enquiry service" but they weren't really helpful and gave me a somewhat automated response.

What documents would helpful to show that I have a ties to my resident country? Especially since I'm a student.
Furthermore, would it be problematic if I used my visa to visit the UK more than once? It should be obvious to them that I would since I'm going to see my partner there (and I live in France, so right next door)
I assume that's why they're being hard on me compared to other people in terms of visiting the UK!

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by noajthan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:59 pm

JadLab wrote:Thank you for your reply!

Could you provide any advice on what evidence would work?
I really do not have plans on staying there, I just wish to visit my partner from time to time. The visits will not be that frequent. So what documents would I provide that I have a student life in France?

Furthermore, would the fact that I might use the Multiple Entry Visitor Visa to visit my partner more than once (during the 6 months validity) be a bad thing?

Thanks again
You clearly need to take on board and address the stated reason for refusal.
I note that the letter does not confirm your regular attendance. I am aware that the letter was produced at your own request and solely for the purpose of this visa application. You have failed to provide satisfactory evidence by way of receipts and transcripts to support your claim. Without sufficent evidence of your studies, I am not satisfied that you are settled and established as a student to ensure your departure from the UK.
You may know you are tied to France and intend to stay there but ECO does not know that. You have to prove it to her.
And its not personal, there are many of these types of refusals.
HO is not the tourist board. Its not enough to simply show you have funds for a trip.

Suggest get in touch with your institution and start working on building a body of evidence from your life that is clear and unimpeachable.
Bonne chance.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by ouflak1 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:47 pm

Just one additional note. It sounds like you are asking for a boyfriend/girlfriend visa. There is no such thing, and the UK has traditionally responded to such requests very negatively. It's something you may want to consider moving forward, especially as it seems you have made your intentions now quite clear to the UK.

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Re: Visitor Visa refused for 2nd time - Need advice

Post by JadLab » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:08 pm

noajthan wrote: You may know you are tied to France and intend to stay there but ECO does not know that. You have to prove it to her.
And its not personal, there are many of these types of refusals.
HO is not the tourist board. Its not enough to simply show you have funds for a trip.

Suggest get in touch with your institution and start working on building a body of evidence from your life that is clear and unimpeachable.
Bonne chance.
Thank you, this helps a lot.
ouflak1 wrote:Just one additional note. It sounds like you are asking for a boyfriend/girlfriend visa. There is no such thing, and the UK has traditionally responded to such requests very negatively. It's something you may want to consider moving forward, especially as it seems you have made your intentions now quite clear to the UK.
A boyfriend/girlfriend visa? Can you elaborate on it and why it's different? I just applied for a Standard Visitor visa of 6 months.
Would it really have been better to lie about it? I prefer being honest and transparent about my intentions of visiting the UK, and not say I'm just going to "visit" different locations and make up false reasons.I don't care that they know my intentions because that's what I want, but in that case what would you suggest I do now?

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