Urgent Help for a 2nd Application to be submitted 18/04/17!!

[NippyApp]

Dear Gurus,

Please I need your urgent help and advice. I need to submit my applications by Tuesday and there's holiday today and Monday, so your urgent help is crucial.

My first application was refused on the grounds that one of the employees names on ID documents submitted didn't match the name on FPS, Payslips etc.

Name on ID was James John Fletcher.
Name on other Docs was James Timothy Fletcher.

My timeline:
Application submitted 13 January 2017,
Biometric enrollment 27 January 2017,
Letter explaining that application will take more than 8 week received mid February 2017,
Refusal Letter dated 4 April received 10 April 2017.

My plan for second Application is as follows:

Names on BRP - James Timothy Fletcher
Names on passport - James John Fletcher

I want to submit both documents with a covering letter to explain the names are for the same personnel.

My Questions are:
1. Do you think this is okay for HO?
2. While I was checking my documents, I realised that the guidance requires that my names should be stated in the docs as it appears on the application. However, my name is listed on the companies house as Francis Norris (First Name and Surname) and as a result, my accountant had prepared all my docs and accounts in only First and Surname format for uniformity. This is the same information I used for my initial application (and first application that was refused) and no question was raised by HO about it.

As this second application is my one and only (and last) shot, would you advise I include a covering letter to state why my docs and accounts had been prepared in only First and Surname as appeared on Companies House instead of as appear on Application (Francis Melvin Norris)?

Please I need your urgent advices.

Thanks

[zimba]

It seems you have serious issues with names. You cannot demand HO to assume two slightly different names are the same people. That is not how the legal world works. Why does you employee has the two documents with two different names ??!
You MUST have the same exact full name on all your documents as in your passport. You must update companies house and your accounts with your FULL name

[seasky]

I don't get it. You haven't explained the different names and you are applying again where the only difference is a cover letter saying "same guy". How will that change anything?

If there is some (rational) reason for different names, explain it.

[NippyApp]

It seems you have serious issues with names. You cannot demand HO to assume two slightly different names are the same people. That is not how the legal world works. Why does you employee has the two documents with two different names ??!
You MUST have the same exact full name on all your documents as in your passport. You must update companies house and your accounts with your FULL name

Zimba,

Thanks for your quick response.

1. Do you suggest I use BRP Card (which has the same full name as the full name on all docs) for my employee, a EEA nationals and will this meet the requirements as stated in the latest guidance - permanent residence documents?

2. In order to have the same exact full name for myself on Companies House and all docs, I will need to:

A. Update my record with my full name on Companies House.
B. Get my accountant to update all my account with my full name as were previously prepared with my First and Surname as appeared on Companies House for uniformity.

As these were the same accounts that I used for my first application and were prepared and signed during their respective tax years (Account for tax year 13/14 signed Oct 2014, tax year 14/15 signed Oct 2015, tax year 15/16 signed Oct 2016, & Management Acct signed Dec 2016.), will it be okay to produce a new set of accounts in my full name and sign them now with a recent date on all of them?

Also bearing in mind that these will affect all documents that should have my full name on them.

Please advise as I am a bit confused.

I don't get it. You haven't explained the different names and you are applying again where the only difference is a cover letter saying "same guy". How will that change anything?

If there is some (rational) reason for different names, explain it.

Hi Seasky,

The rational for different names are as follows:

1. For the employee, he must have used his First name, a middle name (which was different to what he has on his Biometric Card) and Surname. Hence, the middle name on Passport is different from the one on his Biometric Card.

But in my first application, I only submitted a copy of the passport data page.

And since the name was not exactly the same as what was on the other documents, HO picked on that and refused my first application.

2. For me, my name as appeared on Companies House registration is my first name and Surname, no middle name.

I hope this answers your question. I need help on how to go about these two names in my second application

[seasky]

Could it be ur employee has fraudulent documents? How does he explain this?

[NippyApp]

Could it be ur employee has fraudulent documents? How does he explain this?

Hi Seasky,

He has provided documents to show that Timothy is his other name. He's a trustworthy guy.

What do you think I should do in relation to my second application.

Gurus, please help.

[seasky]

Could it be ur employee has fraudulent documents? How does he explain this?

Hi Seasky,

He has provided documents to show that Timothy is his other name. He's a trustworthy guy.

What do you think I should do in relation to my second application.

Gurus, please help.

So he is a 4 named person? Two middles?

Your only recourse is to clearly explain that in cover letter with all documents he has.

[zimba]

1. Do you suggest I use BRP Card (which has the same full name as the full name on all docs) for my employee, a EEA nationals and will this meet the requirements as stated in the latest guidance - permanent residence documents?

My question is that if HO issued him a BRP, then how come that name is not the same as it is in his passport ??! That does not add up
Has he updated his name on his passport since getting an ILR or what ??

2. In order to have the same exact full name for myself on Companies House and all docs, I will need to:
A. Update my record with my full name on Companies House.
B. Get my accountant to update all my account with my full name as were previously prepared with my First and Surname as appeared on Companies House for uniformity.

Correct. You must update all your legal documents with your FULL name as it appears in your passport

As these were the same accounts that I used for my first application and were prepared and signed during their respective tax years (Account for tax year 13/14 signed Oct 2014, tax year 14/15 signed Oct 2015, tax year 15/16 signed Oct 2016, & Management Acct signed Dec 2016.), will it be okay to produce a new set of accounts in my full name and sign them now with a recent date on all of them?

Yes, just update the your name on them and print and sign them again as there is no accounting amendment.

Also bearing in mind that these will affect all documents that should have my full name on them.

Yes and I do not understand why you would not use your full name

[chiibe]

for your employee.... I believe you have to think outside the box to show he is one and same person.
I have two middle names on my birth certificate (therefore same on passport) and have this kind of issue sometimes, with forms not having enough space for all middle names.

Do not limit yourself to Passport, BRP collect and submit all document with the four/three names ...... birth certificate..... NHS letters.... School/Degree certificate (if applicable)....Electoral register document etc..

Some documents somewhere should be able to link the four names.

Ones you cannot submit original get the copies notarised.