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American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:32 pm

Hey all,

I really need some advice, if that's okay.

My boyfriend is from USA, and we have been together for over a year. Each time we visit in person, I fly to the US, hassle free (YAY USA! :D).

One time, in May, I bought him a ticket to come here, to the UK, to visit for 5 months under the American 6 Month Tourist Visa.

We provided ample evidence of my place of residence, my bank statements and payslips, proving I can more than easily afford to keep both of us financially stable for the 5 months. We checked every single piece of evidence required on the official website.

After hours of interrogations and an attempt to move him to a high security prison, he was denied entry (yay uk... :/).

I'm hoping to get him here again soon. This time, for just 3 weeks. Same again, providing ALL of the documentation asked for. Only this time, I'm thinking of having him fly to Ireland, or France, and pick him up in my car, to drive him back to mine in the UK.

Will he face equal scrutinization, horrific handling of proceedings and interrogations, and generally give off an unfavourable attitude towards visitors, from driving and use of a ferry, as he would at an airport?

It was a horrific experience for all of us involved, and I don't want my boyfriend to have to go through such hardship again (just to say hi). I'm trying to find the path of least resistance and of course LEGAL.

This is completely genuine. He has no interest or reason to "work illegally" in this country (I mean, come on, he's visiting from America, what can UK possibly offer apart from lower wages and higher taxes x'D)

We just want to spend some time together. I'm tied down to a job so I can't visit all that often.

Thanks all for reading,
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:50 pm

Sorry for not being clear, I'm still very bitter about the UK :')

Basically, can my boyfriend travel the following route:

America - France - I pick him up at France - UK
OR
American - Ireland (Dublin) - I pick him up at Dublin - UK

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Wanderer » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:22 pm

What was the reason for the denial? And why did you apply for a visa formally, Americans are visa-waivered unless they've been naughty in the past.
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Casa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:30 pm

Wanderer wrote:What was the reason for the denial? And why did you apply for a visa formally, Americans are visa-waivered unless they've been naughty in the past.
...and why would the US authorities consider putting him in a 'high security' prison? The interview would have been with British Consulate employees. :?
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by thatguyuknow » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:13 am

If he travels to Dublin he'll get a stamp in his passport and a pat on the back. He can then take a flight from Dublin to the UK and will not pass UKBA.

I wount suggest doing this though. If he is not allowed to enter the UK and you're trying to get around it, it may harm your application for an future Uk Visa.

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:37 am

We did not apply for a visa formally. We used the American Visa Waiver scheme. We made sure to provide ALL documentation mentioned on their site.

The immigration officer on the phone said it would be fine if it was just for 2 or 3 weeks. So I said it's in their best interest to change the name for a 6 month American Visa Waiver to a 2 week American Visa Waiver.

They accused him of trying to get work here. Because he doesn't work in US (lives with his family as he's 19).

He has zero intention in working in this country... He's not from a poor country. This kind of harassment is unethical. Stop assuming everyone wants to work in the UK, immigration -.-

Taking a flight from Dublin would not be an option, as innocent Americans get hounded at airports daily. The officer told my bfs mother that this sort of thing happens all the time. So....stop it? Eh.

Is it equally difficult to enter the UK via ferry, from Ireland? He'll have all the correct documents as he did at the airport, and still retain the same good will intentions, nothing illegal going on.

Only this time around, he'll have an actual visa, as the visa waiver is apparently not real.

Hmm. Also, will he require a seperate visa to get to Dublin? Or will a UK visa suffice for both the flight to Dublin, and the ferry/drive into UK?

Thanks all for the help so far!! :)

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:44 am

It was the British authorities that were going to move him to a high security prison. I honestly thought they were joking, on the phone.

Apparently, there was a fight or death or something at the prison that day, so the driver refused to move my bf there in fear of guys safety (he's a 19 year old harmless scrawny kid ffs, not a badass meat head)

The driver got sacked.

My bf was then just kept in a secure place in Manchester City Centre for the night, before taking a flight home the next morning.

I was not allowed to see him this entire time. Not even for a goodbye hug, or kiss. Poor kid was scared, and confused.

He had to find his own way home from Nevada to Arizona, as the British decided to drop him off in the wrong state. He made it home, eventually, with no money and no contact (his phone had died, and I could not help financially without contact).

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Sudanim » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:03 pm

OK Zel, I'm sorry but I'm not completely getting your story.

Sorry to be blunt but setting aside all the bitterness and any exaggeration in what you've said, am I right in assuming he flew into the UK without a visa and just sought entry as a visitor on the border (as is allowed for US citizens)? And that he was detained (and possibly moved/about to be moved to an Immigration Detention Centre) refused entry and returned to the originating airport he came from?

If so then he now has an 'adverse immigration history'.

A visa is not required for Americans, but he is able to apply for one anyway if there are any doubts about whether he would be admitted on arrival. As long as its granted and nothing has changed from what he said on his application it could save him flying 5000 miles only to be refused entry again.

Think about this from the other side for a minute and let me play devil's advocate...

An unemployed US citizen comes over to the UK to stay with his British girlfriend of a year, for nearly the maximum period allowed by the immigration rules.

What does he have to entice him into returning to the US? You mention the higher wages in the US but then also say he's unemployed, so that's not too persuasive. He doesn't sound like he has much in the way of assets to tempt him back either, as you say he lives with his parents. You and he will also add 50% to your time together by the time his 6 months are up, so would he really want to walk away from you and return to the US? Without a job has he even got the money to be able to buy a return ticket?

There's a few assumptions in there, but it might give you an idea of why he's been seen as a problem.

When I've been to the US, each time I've been asked about what I do for work. The CBP officer wants to be persuaded I'm not going to be a burden/problem to them. Is it too unreasonable for the UK to want the same thing of US visitors?

This latest plan is not one of your best ideas I'm afraid. He would be seen by the Irish authorities on arrival in Ireland, and if it's just a stopover on the way to the UK, they would want to be satisfied he would not be refused entry again (pre-supposing that's what happened). If so he would become their problem so he could end up being refused entry by the Irish as well as the UK. Of course, if he's looking to circumventing the UK system by misusing the Irish visitor rules, they aren't going to be too impressed with him either. Similar with France. The mechanics would be slightly different, but the outcome probably not.

Assuming for a minute he did manage to enter by these routes, it probably wouldn't go un-noticed the next time her saw the UK authorities, and that might give him more problems down the line.

The best option would be to seek prior authorisation for his trip by paying the fee and applying for a visit visa, even though it is not routinely needed for US citizens. That option exists for exactly this purpose (applicant has an adverse immigration history), and I think it would be wiser to use it rather than trying to find a way to avoid scrutiny. After all, if he's only coming temporarily and you're supporting him, why wouldn't he be granted a visa?

Sorry if I've come across too blunt, but hope that helps.

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Wanderer » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:44 am

Also worth pointing out the biggest abusers of the visa waiver system are Americans so the immigration people have every right to be vigilant.
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Post by Casa » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:12 am

One point to bear in mind for the future, that although American citizens are non-visa nationals, on entry they are required to provide all the same evidence to convince the IO at the point of entry that they have strong ties to their home country they would have submitted with a visitor visa application.

No proof of employment, ongoing study, dependants or property in the US and a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse in the UK will always flag up a warning of a potential overstay. :idea:

Unfortunately, there are frequent posts on the forum from non-visa nationals asking how they can stay on in the UK now that their time as a visitor is ending.
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:13 am

Hey Sudanim,

He flew to the UK with no visa, as we both learnt about the 6 Month American Visa Waiver. He explained that he was coming here to visit his boyfriend, me. He had all of the supporting documents asked of us. He had his own funds given by his parents, including their bank details as essentially his source of cash; despite this, we also made it abundantly clear that I would be taking on the financial responsibilities.

He was detained by the authorities. I was waiting in Terminal 1 for many hours. Confused and scared, I finally managed to get immigration to contact me, via the Information desk phone. A quick interview took place over the phone. I explained everything. He said he'll phone back.

3 hours later, more questions.

Another 3-4 hours and I got the call that he had been denied entry.

I waited at the Information desk for roughly 8 hours. BUT I begged and begged for at the very least, a phone call with my SO. The immigration officer reluctantly accepted, and gave me a number to call. I FINALLY GOT TO SPEAK TO HIM!! :)

We were both in tears on the phone. Heck, even the Information desk staff were holding back tears (I had been there all day, so we kinda all got to know each other).

I told him to not worry, that I'm done with the UK and that I'm coming to him. We had a good 10 min chat before a brummy in the background ordered him off the phone.

Bear in mind this: He is a 19 year old kid, and none of us knew what was going on. Including his parents. My mom was trying to calm his mom over Messenger, whilst trying to calm me and herself too. I think a new law should be put in place, to allow parents that are denied entry, a chance to see their SO at the airport, briefly, and heck even supervised if need be. It's kinda disgusting that this isn't general practice, knowing the 5000 distance is hard enough, and that the possibility of innocence really shouldn't be ignored.

I got a second call, later that evening. He said that he was due to be sent to a high security prison (wot). I laughed, thinking he was messing around. He was not.

He managed to call me the following morning, much to my surprise. We spoke some more, just before his flight home (to the wrong damn state, resulting in several days walk...) This phone call is also where he explained that plans changed, that he was sent to the City Centre for the night, as a fight or death or something happened at the prison, and the driver (now sacked) refused to send him there, in fear of his safety (high five dude!).

Obviously if he ever decides to come back, we will be buying a visa first. As a big FU to immigration. Visa granted. Let him in. However, before this he really wanted to visit UK, not only for me, but as he was really interested in the culture etc. He wanted to visit all the sights. But now he detests the place (as do I).

I can't even persuade him to come now (understandably), so it seems my original post is now moot, but I'll continue to explain as per your reply :)

I'm a boy! Haha. But yeah I hear you. He's unemployed, but he still has ties with his parents etc. A job alone means nothing anyway, you can easily quit while your over here. He has other assets that prove ties to a country. He literally just does not want to work. I bought him a return ticket (thus proving intentions to return home).

Asking about work is fine. Dismissing the financial documentation, proving that finances are not in any way a problem, from his parents documents and my own, is unreasonable. Also, the website clearly states that the visitor must prove that "you, OR your friend/partner/family member can prove funds for the visit". We did that. With his own family members and myself, his partner. Keyword OR.

The plan is moot as he just said he has no intentions on ever going back. Basically, I was told that the Irish are very nice to Americans (unlike the British) and that they are treated fairly at ports of entry. He would have all of the documentation required to gain entry to UK (again) and thus that should be enough to satisfy the Irish. That wasn't the plan. The plan was to take a ferry from Ireland to UK ONLY IF IT IS LEGAL TO DO SO. Hence the topic I started, to find out. Basically, are ferry terminals more lenient than airports.

Even if this would have proved a problem for future visits, that would have been fine by us. It would have been a 1 time event, coming here. Honestly, I don't think he would be granted entry, no matter what. I was so sure that the "American Visa Waiver" would work as we ticked every box, even the one stating "you OR your friend/partner/family member can prove funds".

Being blunt is fine :)

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Sudanim » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:27 am

Hi again

Thanks for clarifying. Apologies for my assumption on genders - no offence intended.

I cannot see any reason why he'd be taken to a high security prison unless that person was wanted somewhere. Prisons are for criminals, those remanded over a criminal offence, and prison officers. They're not the place for anyone suspected of breaking the immigration rules. I would check your facts on this but if correct consider pursuing a complaint or civil action.

Immigration Officers at ports get broadly the same training. You will always get different experiences around the country because its a subjective job and people are different. That's not to say one port is easier/harder or stricter than another. He should be treated with courtesy and respect anywhere he goes, but they should still be considering whether he qualifies for entry.

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Post by Zel-1010 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:01 am

Ah no problem at all, literally everyone I speak to irl assume I mean girlfriend when I say "partner" and I'm like eewwww no x'D

Me neither. I mean, it was back in May, and I have no solid evidence of the situation, only my bfs word. I seriously doubt he'd make something like that up, though; and as he didn't go there in the end, there would be no record of his attendance.

This is exactly why I was on a rampage. My bf was being treated like a terrorist just because he doesn't have a job back home.

How would I even start a complaint procedure against the country? Surely I'm at a major disadvantage from the word "go"?

Yeah. Maybe the IO hadn't quite reached their quotas for the week, and had to deny someone to meet those targets, and so seen a 19 year old boy with no job as easy prey. Or maybe the IO was having a bad week, work or otherwise. Guess we just got unlucky. If he ever decides to give it another shot, I'll ensure it's on a Friday where they're most likely going to be happy :)

He said that he was treated poorly throughout the 8hr interrogation; and accused of stuff with no evidence to back their claims. Eh. There's nothing that can be done. It's like trying to sue a Judge, at his own courtroom.

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Casa » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:05 am

Even though as you say the Irish may be fond of Americans, if he intends to enter Ireland without pre-applying for a visitor visa you should consider that the 'Refused' stamp in his US passport will flag up with the Irish IO.

Immigration data is held on a shared system between the UK and Ireland.
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Post by Zel-1010 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:12 am

If he does decide to come here again, we will have all of the documentation required (again) PLUS an actual visa, no longer relying on the lie that is the American Visa Waiver.

There is no search for shortcuts here, no lies or deceit, no "cutting corners" or illegal activity.

All completely legal; i'm just looking for the route with the least unwelcome resistance.

Would he need an irish visa if he's just passing through (by that, he'll be leaving the irish airport, meeting me, us driving onto the ferry then into UK)?

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Post by Wanderer » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:51 pm

The folks in the office here in Dublin tell me they check passports on the Rosslare - Pembroke ferry. Not on the Dublin Port - Holyhead run tho, though I have been checked and searched once and every time I've passed through via car they are waving people out of line for a search.
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Post by Zel-1010 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:10 pm

Oh right, thanks for the info! :)

Holyhead is great, it's in Wales which is where I live anyway :)

Of course, he will have a Passport regardless. But it's one less check, so one less possible refusal.

Hmm, do they wave people out of line often, like every 3rd or 4th car? If I can avoid that check too, that'd be awesome. I'm guessing from there we're home free at Holyhead, to drive off?

How long did it take when they checked and searched you? We're they nice, or aggressive?

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Post by Wanderer » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:41 pm

Zel-1010 wrote:Oh right, thanks for the info! :)

Holyhead is great, it's in Wales which is where I live anyway :)

Of course, he will have a Passport regardless. But it's one less check, so one less possible refusal.

Hmm, do they wave people out of line often, like every 3rd or 4th car? If I can avoid that check too, that'd be awesome. I'm guessing from there we're home free at Holyhead, to drive off?

How long did it take when they checked and searched you? We're they nice, or aggressive?
There's a little shed thing they point you at on your way out (never seen anything at Dublin Port) about one in 15 cars get searched I think. Just asked for ID (as a Brit or Irish can be anything for CTA, others it's a passport) and basically looked in the boot. Asked me to move my guitar (poss. drugs!) but never physically touched anything themselves. I don't know if they where UKBA as it was then or just police, I was only interested in getting home! They were very nice, just doing their job.

Mostly though it's off the boat, not a soul about - straight out. Expensive tho - £150 one way for the car, plus about £15 per person last time I went too.
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Sudanim » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:10 pm

Zel-1010 wrote:How would I even start a complaint procedure against the country? Surely I'm at a major disadvantage from the word "go"?
Not as hard as you might think. For some reason :roll: Border Force have a well defined complaints policy:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisat ... -procedure

You're not taking on the country, just the government, and a small part of it at that. To be completely honest I doubt you'll get much satisfaction, but if you (he) doesn't say anything, for sure nothing will change.
Zel-1010 wrote:Would he need an irish visa if he's just passing through (by that, he'll be leaving the irish airport, meeting me, us driving onto the ferry then into UK)?
US citizens do not require visas to visit Ireland:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mo ... eland.html

However the Irish authorities may well identify him as having been refused entry in the UK and want to satisfy themselves of his intentions.

The immigration arrangements between the UK and other countries aren't consistent. There is an open borders arrangement called the Common Travel Area (CTA) between UK and Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area. There is a different open borders arrangement within the rest of the EU kown as 'Schengen' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Tr ... engen_Area. Within each arrangement there is not supposed to be much in the way of control as that's the point of an open borders arrangement. Movement between the two arrangements is controlled though (eg. France to the UK), but then has to be consistent with the right of freedom of movement required by European law. If you find all that confusing, you wouldn't be the first.
Zel-1010 wrote:Yeah. Maybe the IO hadn't quite reached their quotas for the week, and had to deny someone to meet those targets, and so seen a 19 year old boy with no job as easy prey. Or maybe the IO was having a bad week, work or otherwise. Guess we just got unlucky. If he ever decides to give it another shot, I'll ensure it's on a Friday where they're most likely going to be happy
There are no quotas for IOs. Having a bad week is quite possible, but when the border is manned 24/7, arriving on a Friday isn't likely to make much difference to their mood.

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Post by Casa » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:40 am

I know that this isn't relevant to the outcome, but just to satisfy my idle curiosity, how did your boyfriend find out that the driver was dismissed for refusing to take him to a 'high security prison'? :?
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:55 am

Wow thanks for all the help guys! Some very useful links there. I'll read up on it all in a moment.

With the CTA open borders arrangement, does that mean as long as my bf makes it to Ireland, gets in my car, we get our passports checked and possibly the boot too, that's pretty much it? No immigration officers/interrogations etc?

I'm relieved to see a complaints procedure. But like you said, I doubt I'll get anywhere. Still, it's worth a shot.

Ha, well I guess there is a huge drug problem in this world, so I'm glad they're performing regular checks. That sounds fantastic. We're definitely going for the Ireland plan in the future then. *sigh of relief*. A little pricey, but my bf is worth every penny :) Plus I've always wanted to drive onto a ferry and take a short trip overseas xD

Apparently he was already in the minibus, then the call came through over radio, then the driver got out and told his superior (or just some guy, we're assuming superior) that he isn't willing to risk my bfs life, had a short talk then he was seen handing over his badge to the guy (possible superior) then walked off.

So possibly just quit? I have no clue. I wasn't there.

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Post by Wanderer » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:39 pm

Zel-1010 wrote:Wow thanks for all the help guys! Some very useful links there. I'll read up on it all in a moment.

With the CTA open borders arrangement, does that mean as long as my bf makes it to Ireland, gets in my car, we get our passports checked and possibly the boot too, that's pretty much it? No immigration officers/interrogations etc?

I'm relieved to see a complaints procedure. But like you said, I doubt I'll get anywhere. Still, it's worth a shot.

Ha, well I guess there is a huge drug problem in this world, so I'm glad they're performing regular checks. That sounds fantastic. We're definitely going for the Ireland plan in the future then. *sigh of relief*. A little pricey, but my bf is worth every penny :) Plus I've always wanted to drive onto a ferry and take a short trip overseas xD

Apparently he was already in the minibus, then the call came through over radio, then the driver got out and told his superior (or just some guy, we're assuming superior) that he isn't willing to risk my bfs life, had a short talk then he was seen handing over his badge to the guy (possible superior) then walked off.

So possibly just quit? I have no clue. I wasn't there.
Well the CTA only applies to Brits, The Irish, Channel Islanders and Manx-men, though as your bf is a non-visa national in Britain and Ireland, effectively it makes no odds, though the previous bounce may well cause him trouble if required to produce proof of nationality in UK. Slim chance of it happening but you need to be aware.

Ferry trip isn't that short! 4 hours on the big boats, less on the Jonathan Swift catamaran. Take the big boats, MV Ulysses, it's MASSIVE, 1500 cars, 250 artics, much more of an experience. There's also the overnighter to Liverpool, you get a cabin and bereakfast etc, not cheap, no change from £600 for a car plus passengers return.

Something to watch out for in Ireland while driving;

1. The Garda at the port and beyond are only really interested in whether you are Ireland resident with a car on UK plates and are looking for the VRT (import tax). This is a rip off tax so make sure you have all your docs, and proof of residence in UK. They have the power to take the car there and then.

2. You can turn left on red if nothing is coming.

3. Speed limits are in K/hr.

4. Cyclists abound.

5. Watch out for the trams (Luas in Dublin)

6. Watch out for the tolls, there's lots around the port, don't go wrong and end up in the Dublin Port Tunnel, it costs a fortune and goes on for miles so you cant get off until near the airport.

7. In the shops they round the price up or down at the till, ie if it's 3.98 and you give 4.00, you don't get the 0.02 back, so you stand looking at the guy waiting for change you'll never get. Conversely if it's 4.02 you only give 4.00. Odd, but works at petrol stations too so no worrying about getting exactly on 20.00 or whatever!

Also Ireland has a system of taxing you twice, they have Motor Tax like our Road Fund Licence, but they have toll roads as well, there's PRSI which is a form of National Health Insurance, but it's 60 Euro to visit a doctor on top. Don't get a car or get ill here!

Worst of all they call 'sandwiches' 'sambos' - I'll like to see the UK PC brigade on that one!
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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:49 pm

Ah okay, so it won't be quite as painless as I originally expected then x'D

Wow, I had no idea on the size and speed of ferries. I really want to experience that! £600 is a little pricey though :O so I think i'll skip on the overnighter xD

Thanks for the heads up! I'll definitely ensure I have ALL paperwork.

I'm actually okay with that, I'm used to it in America (although, right on red, obviously!). I was too scared to do it when I first visited, and got beeped at several times :')

Thanks to you, I will now avoid an unexpected speeding ticket :)

Ah that's cool, we get LOADS of cyclists in Wales, on windy, one-track country roads too. I'm used to that.

I nearly got flattened by a tram on my first drive through Manchester City Centre. And the second...and uh...the third...

Tolls eh. That's a slight inconvenience xD

That is really weird, regarding the stores. I wonder why they do that :/ It does sound pretty awesome regarding fuel though.

Noted. Don't get ill. I'm used to that frame of mind with America, where a health care bill would cripple my account for life :')

"Sambo" what in the hell xD

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Sudanim » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:20 pm

Zel-1010 wrote:With the CTA open borders arrangement, does that mean as long as my bf makes it to Ireland, gets in my car, we get our passports checked and possibly the boot too, that's pretty much it? No immigration officers/interrogations etc?
No, I'm afraid that's not it...

Based upon what you're saying, it sounds to me that he will be required to present himself for examination by a UK Immigration Officer, regardless of the open borders arrangement that is the Common Travel Area.

That's provided for by Article 3 of The Immigration (Control of Entry Through Republic of Ireland) Order 1972. Entry to the UK without leave is an offence under Section 24(1)(a) of the Immigration Act 1971. You can read these yourself through both of these links:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1972 ... ?wrap=true
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77

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Re: American boyfriend trying to visit TEMPORARILY

Post by Zel-1010 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:38 am

That sucks. Thanks for the links :) Well, it wouldn't be entry without leave; it would only be 2-3 weeks visit. Never mind. Off to the US!

Thanks for the help, everyone! :)

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