CoE RoA application directly to consulate

[Bobthemoggie]

Hi Guys,

I have few queries on CoE RoA application for Minor child as BC by descent (Born naturalised BC parents outside UK)
Applying from outside UK [i.e. present in EU Member state]
Currently holds non-UK , non-EU passport.

1. Is it possible to make the application directly to the local British consulate present in the EU member state ? as there's need to have access to Passport for lots of local formalities & also for any possible travel.
The UK Visa service provider might straight away cancel the application if we request the passport back, in case if we need it.

2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application?

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe.

4. Also what are other UK visa options that are available to minor child (holding non-EU passport) of naturalised BC parents?

Cheers

[secret.simon]

Worth remembering that the child may not be treated as an EEA citizen within the rest of the EU if he does not hold a British passport. S/he will of course be able to travel around the EU as the child of British/EEA citizens, but his/her own EU citizenship may not be recognised in the absence of a British passport.

The CoE-RoA certificate only states that the holder has the Right of Abode in the UK and does not mention that s/he is a British citizen.

4. Also what are other UK visa options that are available to minor child (holding non-EU passport) of naturalised BC parents?

As a British citizen cannot hold leave under the Immigration Act 1971, s/he can apply only for either CoE-RoA or a British passport.

[Bobthemoggie]

Thanks for your kind response.

Also is there any input on other queries :


2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application?

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe.

4. Also Visa4UK (www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk) website, asks for details like- Travel date, expenses, where you'll be staying etc.. which I think are Visitor visa etc. specific questions.But its marked as mandatory for the application. So any idea how to deal with it?

Thanks

[Indguru90]

Thanks for your kind response.

Also is there any input on other queries :


2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application? If you mean your child's passport, the answer is no. The COE is in the form of a visa vignette placed in the passport by an entry clearance officer. If you are referring to your (parent) passport, how does the visa issuing post in your country of residence deal with supporting documentation? Presumably you are required to submit colour photocopies at your appointment and the original would be returned to you.

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe. Depends on the issuing post.

4. Also Visa4UK (http://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk) website, asks for details like- Travel date, expenses, where you'll be staying etc.. which I think are Visitor visa etc. specific questions.But its marked as mandatory for the application. So any idea how to deal with it? That is indeed annoying, the FCO simply use their template visa form and then add a section on "Right of abode" at the end - none of the questions are relevant to a determination of right abode. So maybe you may prefer to (a) make an application from the UK - do you have a friend/family member living in the UK who could post the application for you? That would obviously involve important documents being sent around quite a bit. (b) What stops you from applying for a UK passport for your child?

Thanks

Hi Guys,

I have few queries on CoE RoA application for Minor child as BC by descent (Born naturalised BC parents outside UK)
Applying from outside UK [i.e. present in EU Member state]
Currently holds non-UK , non-EU passport.

1. Is it possible to make the application directly to the local British consulate present in the EU member state ? No, has to be via a visa centre ever since entry clearance functions were centralised in the last couple of years.as there's need to have access to Passport for lots of local formalities & also for any possible travel.
The UK Visa service provider might straight away cancel the application if we request the passport back, in case if we need it.

2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application?

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe.

4. Also what are other UK visa options that are available to minor child (holding non-EU passport) of naturalised BC parents? As a matter of law, none - it's either a passport or a certificate of entitlement (Immigration Act 1971, s.3(9)(e).
A British citizen cannot be given a visa or leave to enter at the border because s/he is exempt from control. Were you to rock up at the port of entry with your UK passports and the child's non-UK passport, the procedure in Border Force Manual Ch.II Section "Processing British and EEA Passengers without a valid Passport or Travel Document" would be operative.

Cheers

[Bobthemoggie]

Thanks for your kind response.

Also is there any input on other queries :


2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application? If you mean your child's passport, the answer is no. The COE is in the form of a visa vignette placed in the passport by an entry clearance officer. If you are referring to your (parent) passport, how does the visa issuing post in your country of residence deal with supporting documentation? Presumably you are required to submit colour photocopies at your appointment and the original would be returned to you.
Keeping passport for application is understandable. But visa provider TSL states that- they will cancel the visa application if you need the passport back. As this is not a ordinary visa applicaton, rather matter related to citizenship so (in highly unlikely situation like- moving to another EU state / passport needed for some local formalities etc..) to access the passport, without jeopardizing the application. Also getting any hint/idea about timescale will be really useful.

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe. Depends on the issuing post. Benalux region, any idea on timescale for RoA-CoE application(based on citizenship by descent) from here?

4. Also Visa4UK (http://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk) website, asks for details like- Travel date, expenses, where you'll be staying etc.. which I think are Visitor visa etc. specific questions.But its marked as mandatory for the application. So any idea how to deal with it? That is indeed annoying, the FCO simply use their template visa form and then add a section on "Right of abode" at the end - none of the questions are relevant to a determination of right abode. So maybe you may prefer to (a) make an application from the UK - do you have a friend/family member living in the UK who could post the application for you? That would obviously involve important documents being sent around quite a bit. (b) What stops you from applying for a UK passport for your child?
How to make application from UK? If child has never entered into the UK. Also there seems to be 2 distinct types - From Inside UK & From outside UK.

Thanks

Hi Guys,

I have few queries on CoE RoA application for Minor child as BC by descent (Born naturalised BC parents outside UK)
Applying from outside UK [i.e. present in EU Member state]
Currently holds non-UK , non-EU passport.

1. Is it possible to make the application directly to the local British consulate present in the EU member state ? No, has to be via a visa centre ever since entry clearance functions were centralised in the last couple of years.as there's need to have access to Passport for lots of local formalities & also for any possible travel.
The UK Visa service provider might straight away cancel the application if we request the passport back, in case if we need it.

2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application?

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe.

4. Also what are other UK visa options that are available to minor child (holding non-EU passport) of naturalised BC parents? As a matter of law, none - it's either a passport or a certificate of entitlement (Immigration Act 1971, s.3(9)(e).
A British citizen cannot be given a visa or leave to enter at the border because s/he is exempt from control. Were you to rock up at the port of entry with your UK passports and the child's non-UK passport, the procedure in Border Force Manual Ch.II Section "Processing British and EEA Passengers without a valid Passport or Travel Document" would be operative.

Cheers

[Indguru90]

Thanks for your kind response.

Also is there any input on other queries :


2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application? If you mean your child's passport, the answer is no. The COE is in the form of a visa vignette placed in the passport by an entry clearance officer. If you are referring to your (parent) passport, how does the visa issuing post in your country of residence deal with supporting documentation? Presumably you are required to submit colour photocopies at your appointment and the original would be returned to you.
Keeping passport for application is understandable. But visa provider TSL states that- they will cancel the visa application if you need the passport back. As this is not a ordinary visa applicaton, rather matter related to citizenship so (in highly unlikely situation like- moving to another EU state / passport needed for some local formalities etc..) to access the passport, without jeopardizing the application. Also getting any hint/idea about timescale will be really useful.I'm afraid this won't work because of the way visa operations work. TSL will be the initial point of receipt of the application, but they only act as receiving and transmitting agent for UK Visas & Immigration. An entry clearance officer at the UK visa issuing post will make the decision and need to physically place the COE vignette into a blank page of your child's passport. This process does not have place at the TSL visa centre, hence why it's not possible to request the passport back, unfortunately.

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe. Depends on the issuing post. Benalux region, any idea on timescale for RoA-CoE application(based on citizenship by descent) from here?Not sure I'm afraid,
I doubt that visa post has a lot of COE applications... However, overseas COEs are normally processed more quickly that in-country applications, and the normal entry clearance standards would apply. The official service standard for settlement type visas (to which a COE is akin) is 60 days but is likely to be decided sooner. You may be able to use the Settlement Priority Visa service (15 days) at a higher fee, best to check with UKVI directly https://www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside- ... uk/english

4. Also Visa4UK (http://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk) website, asks for details like- Travel date, expenses, where you'll be staying etc.. which I think are Visitor visa etc. specific questions.But its marked as mandatory for the application. So any idea how to deal with it? That is indeed annoying, the FCO simply use their template visa form and then add a section on "Right of abode" at the end - none of the questions are relevant to a determination of right abode. So maybe you may prefer to (a) make an application from the UK - do you have a friend/family member living in the UK who could post the application for you? That would obviously involve important documents being sent around quite a bit. (b) What stops you from applying for a UK passport for your child?
How to make application from UK? If child has never entered into the UK. Also there seems to be 2 distinct types - From Inside UK & From outside UK. Quite right, if your child's never been to the UK, that won't work.

Thanks

Hi Guys,

I have few queries on CoE RoA application for Minor child as BC by descent (Born naturalised BC parents outside UK)
Applying from outside UK [i.e. present in EU Member state]
Currently holds non-UK , non-EU passport.

1. Is it possible to make the application directly to the local British consulate present in the EU member state ? No, has to be via a visa centre ever since entry clearance functions were centralised in the last couple of years.as there's need to have access to Passport for lots of local formalities & also for any possible travel.
The UK Visa service provider might straight away cancel the application if we request the passport back, in case if we need it.

2. Is there any possibility to retain the passport after submitting the application?

3. Any experience on RoA CoE application as BC by descent (timescale etc..) from Europe.

4. Also what are other UK visa options that are available to minor child (holding non-EU passport) of naturalised BC parents? As a matter of law, none - it's either a passport or a certificate of entitlement (Immigration Act 1971, s.3(9)(e).
A British citizen cannot be given a visa or leave to enter at the border because s/he is exempt from control. Were you to rock up at the port of entry with your UK passports and the child's non-UK passport, the procedure in Border Force Manual Ch.II Section "Processing British and EEA Passengers without a valid Passport or Travel Document" would be operative.

Cheers

[JAJ]

It's still not clear why the need to apply for a ROA stamp rather than a British passport. Is it a problem with dual citizenship restrictions in the other EEA state? Most EEA states that restrict dual citizenship still allow it (to be held alongside their own citizenship) when acquired automatically at birth and do not generally restrict possession of another passport in these situations.

Another option (especially recommended when parents are naturalised British) is a consular birth certificate. This is a stand-alone evidence of British citizenship. Child could travel into the U.K. on a passport issued by another EEA state.
https://www.gov.uk/register-a-birth

[secret.simon]

Is it a problem with dual citizenship restrictions in the other EEA state? Most EEA states that restrict dual citizenship still allow it (to be held alongside their own citizenship) when acquired automatically at birth and do not generally restrict possession of another passport in these situations.

JAJ, the child is a dual British/Indian citizen, presumably holding an Indian passport currently resident in an EEA country. I believe that the parents wish to retain both citizenships for the child. That is only possible if the child holds an Indian passport with a CoE-RoA.

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[JAJ]

Are there specific reasons why one would wish to try to hold on to Indian citizenship despite the fact it's impossible (or nearly impossible) to do so beyond age 18. As opposed to- for example- obtaining Overseas Citizenship of India to hold alongside British citizenship? Isn't OCI close to an Indian equivalent of Right of Abode.

[secret.simon]

Are there specific reasons why one would wish to try to hold on to Indian citizenship despite the fact it's impossible (or nearly impossible) to do so beyond age 18.

Sentiment? Belief that India is on its way up while the UK and the EU are on their way down? That is of course for the OP to answer.

[Indguru90]

Is it a problem with dual citizenship restrictions in the other EEA state? Most EEA states that restrict dual citizenship still allow it (to be held alongside their own citizenship) when acquired automatically at birth and do not generally restrict possession of another passport in these situations.

JAJ, the child is a dual British/Indian citizen, presumably holding an Indian passport currently resident in an EEA country. I believe that the parents wish to retain both citizenships for the child. That is only possible if the child holds an Indian passport with a CoE-RoA.

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Hmm, JAJ got a point though, at least in this case. The poster states that the child was born abroad to two naturalised parents. Unless one of the parents became naturalised only after his/her birth, the child couldn't be an Indian national by descent because both parents would have lost their Indian citizenship by virtue of the naturalisation. Quite confusing.

[Bobthemoggie]

Thanks all for valuable inputs.

Will child be able to use his/her EEA family Residence permit (provided its being issued on time) to travel to UK / say to visit UK occasionally? Or to travel into UK by air, 'll require EEA permit (SS route) issued by UK authorities?
Note: One parent has exercised their treaty rights as worker in EU country.
I suppose temporary sticker by EU country for family permit application won't be helpful for travel.

Cheers

[Indguru90]

Thanks all for valuable inputs.

Will child be able to use his/her EEA family Residence permit (provided its being issued on time) to travel to UK / say to visit UK occasionally? Or to travel into UK by air, 'll require EEA permit (SS route) issued by UK authorities?
Note: One parent has exercised their treaty rights as worker in EU country.
I suppose temporary sticker by EU country for family permit application won't be helpful for travel.

Cheers

A non-UK residence card for a family member of a Union national will entitle your child to admission to the UK under the EEA Regulations, a temporary confirmation of application sticker does not. You will need to be travelling together. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card

[Bobthemoggie]

Thanks all for valuable inputs.

Will child be able to use his/her EEA family Residence permit (provided its being issued on time) to travel to UK / say to visit UK occasionally? Or to travel into UK by air, 'll require EEA permit (SS route) issued by UK authorities?
Note: One parent has exercised their treaty rights as worker in EU country.
I suppose temporary sticker by EU country for family permit application won't be helpful for travel.

Cheers

A non-UK residence card for a family member of a Union national will entitle your child to admission to the UK under the EEA Regulations, a temporary confirmation of application sticker does not. You will need to be travelling together. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card

While submitting online application, there's a question- Will you be staying at private address? (Yes/No).
What to select there if you're living outside UK

Thanks