Romanian Marrying a Syirian citizen in RO or the UK

[Epsilonn]

And also to check if the marriage certificate there would be recognised in Romania and the UK, right? Is there a chance we can do this and the certificate not be recognised or anything like that?

[ribena]

I think the marriage cert would be recognised.. but I don't know if the marriage registration office (?) in Romania would accept English translated copy? And make lots of copies of the translated marriage cert (you never know when you need more of it and it saves you the hassle of getting copies in whichever country/embassy).

Is it a requirement in Romania to register your marriage? What about Syria?

[Epsilonn]

Do you think, if I manage to pull this off, I will have better chances to get her to the UK to me with a family permit visa?

[ribena]

I don't know the answer, I am sorry.

It's depends on how water tight your application will be and the case worker.

Just remember reading from other posts here that you as an EEA national may get a A1 stamp for your non EEA WIFE at the airport - search on the forum?

[Epsilonn]

Also, UK rejected me a marriage visit visa application very well done.

But this was on the grounds we have never met and that they did not trust that my girlfriend will return in her country after 6 months.

Now I understand that. They said each future application will be treated individually.

But, do you think my rejected marriage visit visa is going to have an impact on any future different types of visa applications for my girlfriend?

Thank you for for answers so far!

[ribena]

I feel that any future applications for your wife would be more favourable than girlfriend.

[tmonaghan]

Your marriage will not change the fact that the Home Office will look at your application suspiciously and will reject it as the result of a marriage of convenience. You made it quite clear that you want to know how to bring your partner to the UK. A partner that you met only once during a week and from chatting over the Internet for a year or so using Facebook Messenger, Skype etc... As already advised earlier you need to let things happen naturally and with time to provide enough evidence that your relationship is genuine with a person that is from Syria. A country that is at war and its people fleeing to Europe... The Home Office will see it through.

[ribena]

I don't think it is fair to say '.. they(HO) will reject it as the result of a marriage of convenience.', because quite frankly, no one knows what will happen to their application. Yes the case worker may suspect the relationship, fair enough they are doing their job, then OP has to prove that the r/ship is genuine.

[tmonaghan]

I don't think it is fair to say '.. they(HO) will reject it as the result of a marriage of convenience.', because quite frankly, no one knows what will happen to their application. Yes the case worker may suspect the relationship, fair enough they are doing their job, then OP has to prove that the r/ship is genuine.

That is exactly my point. So I don't know what you are talking about... This threat is three pages long and repeating over and over the same information so OP should have got it by now...

[Epsilonn]

By proving that it is genuine after assuming I marry in RO and applying to bring her to the UK, you mean I have to proove with a good portfolio or there will be an interview??

To let things naturally... but... really, what is time? What is love anyway? I am in love with a person and I can provide for her, me being the one question in case my judgement fails me...

So in front of the HO, how do I show that we have been 'together' for 'long enough'. How much time id 'enough time', given the circumstances?

[Epsilonn]

To marry in Romania and to get her to stay there, she will need to spend some good time there anyway. Isn't that genuine enough in the eyes of people?

I heard of people getting married under different rules without the possibility of ever getting divorced. This is something that an acquaintance of mine did with his girlfriend from Philippines. They got married in Hungary at the Embassy of Philippines and they got a marriage certificate 'for life' to show UK authorities how strong their relationship is. Because he works in the UK, just like me. She is non-UE. They met in RO anyway...

He explained so many things in a 3 hours talk that I started to smell something burning at the back of my head...

[ribena]

You would have to satisfy HO that your gf or wife to be - whom you just met once is in a genuine relationship. Just because you are thinking of marrying her or would have married her doesn't always necessary means it's a genuine r/ship, perhaps quite on the contrary in HO's eye.

Your friend may been in a r/ship is yearssssssssss.

Start thinking if you were HO.

[Epsilonn]

Well a visit from her would not be possible in the UK... so to be honest it is just not fair. In my opinion, it is the way the law is at the moment and everything going on in this world.

Normally, I should have been able to bring her here and support all expenses and eveything for a periond of 6 months, me being responsible for everything etc... After 6 months she would have gone back. It was supposed to be a marriage visit visa, she was supposed to visit me, stay with me, get familiar with each other to make everything 'genuine'...

But that seems impossible, right? Because I did that already and it did not work. 6 month of reading and listening to lawyers etc...

I want a relationship with her obviously but this world is crazy!

I would be pro 'promote wellbeing'. Where is the wellbeing when everyone is so confusing? I simply want a human being that I care for, next to me...

I make money, work, pay taxes, have a good job, but I feel good when she is with me... the rest is not that important. But this is the law...

I should have the right to support a human being if I feel like it and have proof that I have everything I need order to just do that...

One way or another, I will find the way.

[CR001]

Normally, I should have been able to bring her here and support all expenses and eveything for a periond of 6 months, me being responsible for everything etc... After 6 months she would have gone back. It was supposed to be a marriage visit visa, she was supposed to visit me, stay with me, get familiar with each other to make everything 'genuine'...

If you only wanted her to visit and then leave, you applied for the wrong visa. A Marriage Visitor Visa is only for the sole purpose of getting married in the UK and then leave. Evidence of marriage preparation and relationship etc would have been required. As you state you had not met at the time of this visa application, the refusal was correct.

By applying for the wrong visa (without having met each other) and being refused, all you have done is flag up your circumstances with your girlfriend to HO and you can probably expect heavy scrutiny of any application you make again.

[Epsilonn]

I did that because I had a 'very good lawyer' and she said it is better we follow the 'marriage visit visa' because we can also get married (after 80 days from her being here etc...). I made all preparations with the Office in Chelsea to book the marriage + millions of other stuff...

It made sense of course....

But anyway... in the letter of rejection, another reason was that she would not have a reason to go back to Syria and claim asylum!!! How could I ever get past this???

[CR001]

Unfortunately, many 'marriage of conveniences' follow the same path, simply to gain entry to the UK and either disappear or claim asylum. So HO is very wise to certain situations.

You have to think like HO in this, leave emotion at the door.

[Epsilonn]

Unfortunately, many 'marriage of conveniences' follow the same path, simply to gain entry to the UK and either disappear or claim asylum. So HO is very wise to certain situations.

You have to think like HO in this, leave emotion at the door.

Would a normal visit visa from her to the UK do any good? Because this time they say she might claim asylum again...

So how does one from Syria get to the UK? Except from when we are married and have a 'genuine relationship'.

Their access is not blocked here.

Would anormal visit visa to UK get her here. Would me getting her in Romania in a visit visa and then get married do any better? Considering, in the end, I want her in the UK next to me.

[tmonaghan]

Love has got nothing to do with it. You need to apply within the rules. If you read the information already provided to you since you opened this case you would have understood what is expected of you and your partner before you can apply for a Visa. For your girlfriend or wife whatever status she will have at the time of your application. This Forum cannot replace a good Lawyer; so if you have the means to afford a Solicitor then hire one for your peace of mind and to make sure that you can submit a strong application to bring her into the UK with the relevant information and documentation for a successful case.

[Epsilonn]

They all told me to marry anywhere else to be ready for a 'Spuse Visa'...

[CR001]

They all told me to marry anywhere else to be ready for a 'Spuse Visa'...

You mean 'EEA Family Permit'. There is no 'EU Spouse Visa'. Spouse visa refers to a spouse of a British citizen or person with ILR/PR.

[Epsilonn]

Yes. Sorry, my bad. They also said that with a huge amount of money and support from them I can get her here with this type of Family Permit, at our stage, as we are now and it would be a two-parts application, with her coming here at first and then applying for indefinite leave to remain; before the 6 months expire.

Do you think this could work, provided our whole story??

[CR001]

applying for indefinite leave to remain; before the 6 months expire.

As I already mentioned further up this topic, this is woefully incorrect advice you have been given. She DOES NOT qualify for Indefinite Leave to Remain in any shape or form on an a) EEA FP or b) on the EEA route or c) after only 6 months in the UK.

Indefinite Leave to Remain is an application under the UK Immigration Rules, which she would NOT be under.

[Epsilonn]

Well then, I get married, let's say in Romania or, why not, Tanzania. How can I get her to me in the UK afterwards??

[CR001]

Apply for an EEA family permit. Once here apply for a 5 year residence card. That is the only route available to you as an EU citizen in the UK. She will then need 5 years residence before she qualifies for PR.

[tmonaghan]

We feel your pain, but you keep asking the same questions, and you received a huge amount of help by providing some information that can help you. I would suggest that you take the time to write on a piece of paper questions you might have and that you use this useful information to answer your queries. You need to realise that you both have a better chance to make it to the UK under EU Immigration rules so try to organise your situation before Brexit. Good luck...