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Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Only for UK Tier 1 (Entrepreneur) points system. This route is now closed to new applicants.

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Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Post by mig2015 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm

Hi, what if the job candidate is an eu national and only has the say Spanish passport? as it might be really difficult to figure if the passport if genuine or fake. Any ideas?

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Re: Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Post by marcnath » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:42 pm

mig2015 wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm
Hi, what if the job candidate is an eu national and only has the say Spanish passport? as it might be really difficult to figure if the passport if genuine or bad quality. Any ideas?
If you are given a false document, you will only be liable for a civil penalty if it is reasonably
apparent that it is false.This means that a person who is untrained in the identification of
false documents, examining it carefully, but briefly, and without the use of technological aids
could reasonably be expected to realise that the document in question is not genuine.

Follow the instructions at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... t_2017.pdf
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Post by mig2015 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:01 pm

marcnath wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:42 pm
mig2015 wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm
Hi, what if the job candidate is an eu national and only has the say Spanish passport? as it might be really difficult to figure if the passport if genuine or bad quality. Any ideas?
If you are given a false document, you will only be liable for a civil penalty if it is reasonably
apparent that it is false.This means that a person who is untrained in the identification of
false documents, examining it carefully, but briefly, and without the use of technological aids
could reasonably be expected to realise that the document in question is not genuine.

Follow the instructions at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... t_2017.pdf
Thank you Marknath, by referring to "only liable for a civil penalty", do you mean, from immigration point of view, at time of extension points may be awarded though?

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Re: Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Post by marcnath » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:18 pm

mig2015 wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:01 pm
marcnath wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:42 pm
mig2015 wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm
Hi, what if the job candidate is an eu national and only has the say Spanish passport? as it might be really difficult to figure if the passport if genuine or bad quality. Any ideas?
If you are given a false document, you will only be liable for a civil penalty if it is reasonably
apparent that it is false.This means that a person who is untrained in the identification of
false documents, examining it carefully, but briefly, and without the use of technological aids
could reasonably be expected to realise that the document in question is not genuine.

Follow the instructions at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... t_2017.pdf
Thank you Marknath, by referring to "only liable for a civil penalty", do you mean, from immigration point of view, at time of extension points may be awarded though?
That is an open question. But since immigration guidance refers to the same checks, you should be able to argue that you have checked that the person is a settled worker to your best ability.
Not sure if that has ever happened to anyone.
But if you are having doubts, it is safer not to hire the person.
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Tier 1 Entrepreneur Extension visas

Post by zimba » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:48 pm

If you have doubts, I suggest to search for 3rd party companies that provide passport verification checks
Advice is given based on my personal research and experience only. Do NOT contact me via private message for immigration advice

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Tier 1E, 200K investment as a team

Post by mig2015 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:42 pm

Dear all members

If two members of an entrepreneur team transfer the total 200K funds from their personal accounts to the business account (in form of DL), but not in 1:1 proportion, e.g. one for 90K and the other for 110K, would it make any issues when claiming points for investment evidence at extension stage?

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Re: Tier 1E, 200K investment as a team

Post by marcnath » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:17 am

mig2015 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:42 pm
Dear all members

If two members of an entrepreneur team transfer the total 200K funds from their personal accounts to the business account (in form of DL), but not in 1:1 proportion, e.g. one for 90K and the other for 110K, would it make any issues when claiming points for investment evidence at extension stage?

Many thanks
No, there is no requirement that they have to invest equally.

A team application allows each member to gain from the evidence of the other. So if one invests 200K and the other 0, it is still acceptable.
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Tier 1E, 200K investment as a team

Post by mig2015 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:32 am

marcnath wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:17 am
mig2015 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:42 pm
Dear all members

If two members of an entrepreneur team transfer the total 200K funds from their personal accounts to the business account (in form of DL), but not in 1:1 proportion, e.g. one for 90K and the other for 110K, would it make any issues when claiming points for investment evidence at extension stage?

Many thanks
No, there is no requirement that they have to invest equally.

A team application allows each member to gain from the evidence of the other. So if one invests 200K and the other 0, it is still acceptable.
Hello marcnath

Thank you for the clarification, also the fact that funds have been transferred from personal individual bank accounts of directors here (as opposed to a joint account), does it still sound good you think?

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Re: Tier 1E, 200K investment as a team

Post by marcnath » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:59 am

mig2015 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:32 am


Hello marcnath

Thank you for the clarification, also the fact that funds have been transferred from personal individual bank accounts of directors here (as opposed to a joint account), does it still sound good you think?
Why would entrepreneurial team member have joint accounts ? Nothing to do directly with immigration, but generally not a good idea to have joint accounts unless you want to be financially connected (impacts credit ratings and even some legal situations)

So, no, there is no requirement to have the money transferred from a joint account
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Tier 1E, 200K investment as a team

Post by mig2015 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:59 am

marcnath wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:59 am
mig2015 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:32 am


Hello marcnath

Thank you for the clarification, also the fact that funds have been transferred from personal individual bank accounts of directors here (as opposed to a joint account), does it still sound good you think?
Why would entrepreneurial team member have joint accounts ? Nothing to do directly with immigration, but generally not a good idea to have joint accounts unless you want to be financially connected (impacts credit ratings and even some legal situations)

So, no, there is no requirement to have the money transferred from a joint account
Thank you. The only reason, is in case being asked whether access to the funds has been maintained between initial application to the point funds were fully invested (and if they ask to show both directors have had that access to all 200K)

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