employment for Tier 1

[arscm]

Hello Everyone,

I am watching this forum but posting first time, it is very helpful. I am watching quite few posts about confusion about employment & rejections by HO. I am thinking that i am doing ok but made me worried and thought to put it for seniors to put some light on it( especially Marcnath and Zimba88 Please)and guide me how to claim it properly as I have seen putting it in the right format is also important.

I am on pre-april 2014 rules. had my extension in June 2016. my situation is below:

Employee 1: 11/12/2016 - 31/12/2017... Full time.... 130 hrs a month
Employee 2: 01/11/2016- 30/11/2017....Part Time .... 96 hrs a month
Employee 3: 01/05/2017- 31/05/2018 .... Par time.....80 hrs a month

Am I safe here claiming only these 3 to make it simple and clear or shall i include Employee 4 who worked
from 01/11/2016 - 30/04/2017 ( PT.. 80 hrs a month).

If I am good with first 3 employees how do i put them in the table in the form coz its not clear to me.

Your cooperation will be highly appreciated, Regards

[seasky]

As u are pre apr 2014 you seem to be OK on the jobs.

Beware you are applying with one part time employee. That will ring the CW bells strongly on genuine entrepreneur test. Make sure to explain in covering letter

[arscm]

As u are pre apr 2014 you seem to be OK on the jobs.

Beware you are applying with one part time employee. That will ring the CW bells strongly on genuine entrepreneur test. Make sure to explain in covering letter

thanks for your reply, why do you think part time employees will ring CW bells? i don`t see anything unusual here. can you please guide me hoe to put put them in the table/ form.

[seasky]

As u are pre apr 2014 you seem to be OK on the jobs.

Beware you are applying with one part time employee. That will ring the CW bells strongly on genuine entrepreneur test. Make sure to explain in covering letter

thanks for your reply, why do you think part time employees will ring CW bells? i don`t see anything unusual here. can you please guide me hoe to put put them in the table/ form.

EmployeeS?? ONE part time employee

[arscm]

As u are pre apr 2014 you seem to be OK on the jobs.

Beware you are applying with one part time employee. That will ring the CW bells strongly on genuine entrepreneur test. Make sure to explain in covering letter

thanks for your reply, why do you think part time employees will ring CW bells? i don`t see anything unusual here. can you please guide me hoe to put put them in the table/ form.

EmployeeS?? ONE part time employee

employee 2 and 3 both are part time and I am claiming for both to make it one job. I think you mean i will have one PT employee at the time of applying but there is nothing wrong why shall i keep more employees If I the business does not need and requirements have already been fulfilled

[10020132]

I disagree with the person above as having more employees than required should not ring any bell for the following reasons

Firstly, you just send the details regarding the employees you are claiming the points for. So the case worker wont know straight away how many employees he has
Secondly, he can have self employed or contracted staff which is not on pyroll but still working for genuine business

So that should not be a problem. But just make sure you add enough documents to prove genuineness of business

[marcnath]

You are fine on job creation front. And don’t start worrying about genuiness test.
Submit the required evidence (no need for 4th employee, for example), organise your documents properly ( you can see my post on example pinned at the top of this forum) and address any other issues in the cover letter

[seasky]

T1e is a route meant to attract high value migrants to stimulate economic growth via new business and job creation.

The limitations of government are such that they need to specify measurable criteria and as such set it at two person years of employment. But they still have genuine entrepreneur test as a catchall for the fakers.

What kind of quality business suddenly does not need employees anymore?

Think in the shoes of the CW. Another business that did the "minimum" (in amount of job creation and possibly wage*) s/he has to give points for employment but does not mean will not scrutinise for every dotted i and genuiness

*my personal opinion u should only get points for double min wage.

[10020132]

T1e is a route meant to attract high value migrants to stimulate economic growth via new business and job creation.

The limitations of government are such that they need to specify measurable criteria and as such set it at two person years of employment. But they still have genuine entrepreneur test as a catchall for the fakers.

What kind of quality business suddenly does not need employees anymore?

Think in the shoes of the CW. Another business that did the "minimum" (in amount of job creation and possibly wage*) s/he has to give points for employment but does not mean will not scrutinise for every dotted i and genuiness

*my personal opinion u should only get points for double min wage.

But how will you respond to the two points that I raised above. If any business is having 100 self employmed contractors, is that not a genuine business?

[arscm]

You are fine on job creation front. And don’t start worrying about genuiness test.
Submit the required evidence (no need for 4th employee, for example), organise your documents properly ( you can see my post on example pinned at the top of this forum) and address any other issues in the cover letter

Thanks for your response and help, appreciate it, i will look for that post, what is the post title ?

[arscm]

T1e is a route meant to attract high value migrants to stimulate economic growth via new business and job creation.

The limitations of government are such that they need to specify measurable criteria and as such set it at two person years of employment. But they still have genuine entrepreneur test as a catchall for the fakers.

What kind of quality business suddenly does not need employees anymore?

Think in the shoes of the CW. Another business that did the "minimum" (in amount of job creation and possibly wage*) s/he has to give points for employment but does not mean will not scrutinise for every dotted i and genuiness

*my personal opinion u should only get points for double min wage.

I dont agree with you. business paying minimum wage could be more genuine than a business paying even 3 times of minimum.and would they doubt a business on employment if they had not even given u any choice I mean you have to create 2 jobs to be successful even if ur business is in loss. i think as long you have created 2 full time jobs for one year there should be no issues on genuineness at least with regards to employment

[arscm]

T1e is a route meant to attract high value migrants to stimulate economic growth via new business and job creation.

The limitations of government are such that they need to specify measurable criteria and as such set it at two person years of employment. But they still have genuine entrepreneur test as a catchall for the fakers.

What kind of quality business suddenly does not need employees anymore?

Think in the shoes of the CW. Another business that did the "minimum" (in amount of job creation and possibly wage*) s/he has to give points for employment but does not mean will not scrutinise for every dotted i and genuiness

*my personal opinion u should only get points for double min wage.

But how will you respond to the two points that I raised above. If any business is having 100 self employmed contractors, is that not a genuine business?

Your point is quite valid

[seasky]

But how will you respond to the two points that I raised above. If any business is having 100 self employmed contractors, is that not a genuine business?

The government does not accept contractors for seeking the employment points. Not even 100 contractors. Your point is hence less valid

I suspect OP does not have any contractors (only PT around min wage). If she does should explain in covering letter how much value bringing to UK economy.)

[10020132]

But how will you respond to the two points that I raised above. If any business is having 100 self employmed contractors, is that not a genuine business?

The government does not accept contractors for seeking the employment points. Not even 100 contractors. Your point is hence less valid

I suspect OP does not have any contractors (only PT around min wage). If she does should explain in covering letter how much value bringing to UK economy.)

I think that you didn’t read what I was saying then

I said a GENUINE business can have 100 contractors. I didn’t say we are claiming points for employment from them

So not having a single employee can still be a genuine business (nothing to do with job creation)

I think you haven’t read my post at all. Thats why you didn’t even understand what I was talking about

[mohsensari]

As u are pre apr 2014 you seem to be OK on the jobs.

Beware you are applying with one part time employee. That will ring the CW bells strongly on genuine entrepreneur test. Make sure to explain in covering letter

thanks for your reply, why do you think part time employees will ring CW bells? i don`t see anything unusual here. can you please guide me hoe to put put them in the table/ form.

EmployeeS?? ONE part time employee

employee 2 and 3 both are part time and I am claiming for both to make it one job. I think you mean i will have one PT employee at the time of applying but there is nothing wrong why shall i keep more employees If I the business does not need and requirements have already been fulfilled

Even you don’t have any employee at the time of application, shouldn’t be a problem.it’s very clear in the policy guidance. business needs are changing time by time, but you need To be genuine business.

[seasky]

But how will you respond to the two points that I raised above. If any business is having 100 self employmed contractors, is that not a genuine business?

The government does not accept contractors for seeking the employment points. Not even 100 contractors. Your point is hence less valid

I suspect OP does not have any contractors (only PT around min wage). If she does should explain in covering letter how much value bringing to UK economy.)

I think that you didn’t read what I was saying then

I said a GENUINE business can have 100 contractors. I didn’t say we are claiming points for employment from them

So not having a single employee can still be a genuine business (nothing to do with job creation)

I think you haven’t read my post at all. Thats why you didn’t even understand what I was talking about

Sorry I didn't understand your post that well. I must not be smart enough and I apologise for my lack of cognitive abilities to understand your well thought out and explained posts.