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SET(M) wrote:Complete this form only if you are applying for inde nite leave to remain in one of the following categories:
• Family life as a partner (2 year route - you were last granted limited leave of 27 or 24 months under Part 8 of the Immigration Rules and have completed at least 24 months with such leave)
• Family life as a partner (5 year route - you were last granted 30 months limited leave as a partner under Appendix FM and have completed at least 60 months with such leave)
• Family life as a parent (5 year route - you were last granted 30 months limited leave as a parent under Appendix FM and have completed at least 60 months with such leave)
......and this statement justifies my previous post. The country is a $hithole run by charlatans.Drich04 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:50 pm
I entered on a Finance VISA on October 2014 then got married and applied for FLR (M) and received it in FEB 2015. I applied for SET (M) in correct form. On August 2017. Got an exceptionally complex letter on January 2018 (- confused why?)then Refused on March 2018.
Funny how I was exceptionally complex issue when it was just the wrong form. I wish they would of refused right away . I have wrote to the local MP, though I don't think he would really care as he is a conservative. I am a little hesitant to complain because I think that it would delay my current application in process.
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
Vinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.vinny wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 amNote: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
Yes, totally your mistake and no one elses.Drich04 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:19 amI didn't realize it was incorrect form, letter just stated I did not qualify for SET(M). Which they could of said ..but you do qualify for a second FLR(M).
Months before my last visa about to expire on the home office website there was section there that by answering questions and clicking next on it would guide you to the correct application you need to apply for (that section is conveniently not on the home office site anymore, so I can't retrace where I went wrong). I have done it several times and it kept guiding me to indefinite leave to remain SET (M). During that time I was certain it was the correct form. I have even passed my life in the UK test. I have read several places that after FLR (M) – Further leave to remain visa, that SET (M) – indefinite leave to remain visa was the correct application to apply for. I have completely misunderstood that completing FLR (M) meant completing 2 sets of FLR (M). The worst mistake of my life
Vey true.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pmThe way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.
Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
If the caseworker didn’t know that the applicant had only used the wrong form, then I would agree. However, what happens if the caseworker knew that the applicant had only used the wrong form?secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pmVinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.vinny wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 amNote: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.
Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
Given all the overly complex rules and forms, perhaps it’s time that caseworkers should share partial responsibility when an applicant only used an incorrect form? All these hassles could have been avoided if caseworkers had discretion to use common sense and permitted an applicant to vary an incorrect application, similar to A277DDrich04 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:28 pmMy flr (m) ended on 03.08.17. I applied for SET (M) which was very expensive. For 5 months I got monthly update that my application was still being considered on 6th months I got a letter saying it was execptionally complexed. Then finally today I received my refusal letter. I called home office as I didn’t understand the letter, they said basically I have to apply for another Flr (M) and do it with in 30 days. I asked them why take 7 months to tell me that it was incorrect application and taking my fee? I could of reapplied for the correct application after the first month.
Hopefully, a FLR(M) application, submitted within 14 days of the refusal, should succeed. It’s fortunate that the applicant didn’t mistakenly apply for naturalisation.(a) The Secretary of State will treat that application for indefinite leave to remain as an application for limited leave to remain;
I am inclined to agree with Vinny on this point.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pmVinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.vinny wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 amNote: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.
Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.