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Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Drich04 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:28 pm

My flr (m) ended on 03.08.17. I applied for SET (M) which was very expensive. For 5 months I got monthly update that my application was still being considered on 6th months I got a letter saying it was execptionally complexed. Then finally today I received my refusal letter. I called home office as I didn’t understand the letter, they said basically I have to apply for another Flr (M) and do it with in 30 days. I asked them why take 7 months to tell me that it was incorrect application and taking my fee? I could of reapplied for the correct application after the first month.

Now I lost my good job. If I apply again would I still be able to use my work to fit the financial requirements? Since I just lost it this week. I thought my right to work is still valid until the decision is being made which technically I will be applying for the correct visa now. Is it worth to file a complaint? Would any compensation be feesiable?

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Obie » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:42 pm

Why would you lose good job, did Home Office not give you an opportunity to vary your application?

Did they refuse without a right of appeal? it will be very harsh for them to refuse just like that without considering whether you qualify for FLR(M).

This is why it is important to have sought legal advise before applying.
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Drich04 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:59 am

Hi sorry for late reply, I hope you can still receive this. Yes they gave me the right to appeal. How ever since I applied for the wrong application in the first place I decided to reapply for the correct application and explained what happen on the cover letter.

I have lost my dream job unfortunately due to my mistake for applying for the wrong form.

I am confused, when I was refused I immediately called the UK immigration line and told them what happen that they took literally 7 months to refuse me due to a wrong application form. The agent advised that I can Reapply within 30 days from refusal date. I even called at least 6 time since then and that is what they advised

How ever I am reading some forums that state that I have to go back to my home country and apply there because my visa is already expired back in August.

Now I am absolutely worried that I will be refused again!

This is causing so much stress, anxiety and depression. I am on week 5 now for waiting for my f l r m 2. I’ve done my biometrics and already received my letter from the home office confirming they received my application.

I am worried. Surely they would of sent my refusal letter already if I could not reapply is that correct?

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:47 am

Did they give you the opportunity to submit the correct form under 34B.(2)?

If not, then ask them why not?
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:55 am

Were you not aware that you had to complete at least 5 years (minus 28 days) in the UK under this category?
SET(M) wrote:Complete this form only if you are applying for inde nite leave to remain in one of the following categories:
• Family life as a partner (2 year route - you were last granted limited leave of 27 or 24 months under Part 8 of the Immigration Rules and have completed at least 24 months with such leave)
• Family life as a partner (5 year route - you were last granted 30 months limited leave as a partner under Appendix FM and have completed at least 60 months with such leave)
• Family life as a parent (5 year route - you were last granted 30 months limited leave as a parent under Appendix FM and have completed at least 60 months with such leave)
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Drich04 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:19 am

No they did not give me the opportunity to submit the correct form under 34B.(2) I will ask them. It's just hard contacting them as the Home office number just gives general answer. Would you recommend writing a complaint? or will that affect my current application. I wouldn't know how else to contact them as they don't have any other way of being contacted.

I didn't realize it was incorrect form, letter just stated I did not qualify for SET(M). Which they could of said ..but you do qualify for a second FLR(M).

Months before my last visa about to expire on the home office website there was section there that by answering questions and clicking next on it would guide you to the correct application you need to apply for (that section is conveniently not on the home office site anymore, so I can't retrace where I went wrong). I have done it several times and it kept guiding me to indefinite leave to remain SET (M). During that time I was certain it was the correct form. I have even passed my life in the UK test. I have read several places that after FLR (M) – Further leave to remain visa, that SET (M) – indefinite leave to remain visa was the correct application to apply for. I have completely misunderstood that completing FLR (M) meant completing 2 sets of FLR (M). The worst mistake of my life :cry:

I am so worried now that they will refuse me again and tell me I have to apply in my home country. That will be two refusals.

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:29 am

How did you initially enter the UK? Not on a spouse visa? Can you give your Immigration history?
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by FXR_1340 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:53 am

The OP gives a clear insight into what this visa scam is all about. Almost zero help from those teceiving the money yet they show no understanding or flexibility when there is a genuine error.

How long will this country continue on this path?

It really makes me wonder why anyone would want to come to this country. Its going down the tubes more and more with every passing day. Its a great place which is being (has been?) turned into nothing more than a $hithole by politicians who are no better than tin pot dictators interested in only themselves and making sure their pockets are lined.

Shame on them all.

I wish the OP the best of luck and hope it all works out for you and yours.

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Drich04 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:50 pm

vinny wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:29 am
How did you initially enter the UK? Not on a spouse visa? Can you give your Immigration history?

I entered on a Finance VISA on October 2014 then got married and applied for FLR (M) and received it in FEB 2015. I applied for SET (M) in correct form. On August 2017. Got an exceptionally complex letter on January 2018 (- confused why?)then Refused on March 2018.

Funny how I was exceptionally complex issue when it was just the wrong form. I wish they would of refused right away . I have wrote to the local MP, though I don't think he would really care as he is a conservative. I am a little hesitant to complain because I think that it would delay my current application in process.

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by FXR_1340 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:54 pm

Drich04 wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:50 pm
vinny wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:29 am
How did you initially enter the UK? Not on a spouse visa? Can you give your Immigration history?

I entered on a Finance VISA on October 2014 then got married and applied for FLR (M) and received it in FEB 2015. I applied for SET (M) in correct form. On August 2017. Got an exceptionally complex letter on January 2018 (- confused why?)then Refused on March 2018.

Funny how I was exceptionally complex issue when it was just the wrong form. I wish they would of refused right away . I have wrote to the local MP, though I don't think he would really care as he is a conservative. I am a little hesitant to complain because I think that it would delay my current application in process.
......and this statement justifies my previous post. The country is a $hithole run by charlatans.

What kind of a country is content to treat its own people in this manner.

Again, good luck to you.

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 am

Note: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by secret.simon » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm

vinny wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 am
Note: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
Vinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.

The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.

Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by alewid » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:20 pm

Drich04 wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:19 am
I didn't realize it was incorrect form, letter just stated I did not qualify for SET(M). Which they could of said ..but you do qualify for a second FLR(M).

Months before my last visa about to expire on the home office website there was section there that by answering questions and clicking next on it would guide you to the correct application you need to apply for (that section is conveniently not on the home office site anymore, so I can't retrace where I went wrong). I have done it several times and it kept guiding me to indefinite leave to remain SET (M). During that time I was certain it was the correct form. I have even passed my life in the UK test. I have read several places that after FLR (M) – Further leave to remain visa, that SET (M) – indefinite leave to remain visa was the correct application to apply for. I have completely misunderstood that completing FLR (M) meant completing 2 sets of FLR (M). The worst mistake of my life :cry:
Yes, totally your mistake and no one elses.
You cannot blame the Home Office when it was you that applied for the wrong immigration status that you were not eligible for. Course they are going to refuse you if you apply for indefinite leave when you haven't been residing in the UK for the mandatary 5 years.

That section is still conveniently there.
https://www.gov.uk/settle-in-the-uk
When you get to the end it states that you may be entitled for indefinite leave if you meet the conditions listed below. One of them is elegibility.

Eligibility
You need to have been living in the UK with a ‘partner of a settled person’ visa for:

2 years if you applied for your visa before 9 July 2012
5 years or 10 years if you applied for your visa on or after 9 July 2012

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by alewid » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:35 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm
The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.

Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
Vey true.
The Home Office made a judgement on the application that was received. An application for indefinite leave and because the person was not eligible (they have not been resident in the UK for the minumum 5 years), it was refused.

You have to check, check again and triple check that what you are doing is right, there are solicitors that specialise in immigration. It is a very stressful time and as you can see the wrong outcome can be very damaging.

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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:02 am

secret.simon wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm
vinny wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 am
Note: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
Vinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.

The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.

Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
If the caseworker didn’t know that the applicant had only used the wrong form, then I would agree. However, what happens if the caseworker knew that the applicant had only used the wrong form?

An applicant eligible for SET(M) would also be eligible for FLR(M), so could not be said to have used the wrong form, if they chose FLR(M).
Drich04 wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:28 pm
My flr (m) ended on 03.08.17. I applied for SET (M) which was very expensive. For 5 months I got monthly update that my application was still being considered on 6th months I got a letter saying it was execptionally complexed. Then finally today I received my refusal letter. I called home office as I didn’t understand the letter, they said basically I have to apply for another Flr (M) and do it with in 30 days. I asked them why take 7 months to tell me that it was incorrect application and taking my fee? I could of reapplied for the correct application after the first month.
Given all the overly complex rules and forms, perhaps it’s time that caseworkers should share partial responsibility when an applicant only used an incorrect form? All these hassles could have been avoided if caseworkers had discretion to use common sense and permitted an applicant to vary an incorrect application, similar to A277D
(a) The Secretary of State will treat that application for indefinite leave to remain as an application for limited leave to remain;
Hopefully, a FLR(M) application, submitted within 14 days of the refusal, should succeed. It’s fortunate that the applicant didn’t mistakenly apply for naturalisation.
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by Obie » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:02 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm
vinny wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:15 am
Note: Applications for leave to remain: validation, variation and withdrawal
If an applicant has not applied on the correct specified form, you may write to them telling them the correct form and give them 10 working days to submit that form. If they do not do this, you should normally reject the application as invalid using the notice of invalidity template: ICD 4946 on Doc Gen
Vinny, I think you are reading the specific paragraph too broadly.

The way I read the paragraph (and the section it is in), the "specified form" is the current form required for the particular application chosen by the applicant. So, in this case, the role of the Home Office caseworker would be limited to verifying that the application was made on the correct and up-to-date version of the form for SET(M). It is not for the caseworker to judge, at this stage, whether the applicant is eligible for SET(M), because that is to make a judgment on the application itself, not the form of the application.

Addressing FXR_1340's point, it is not the caseworker's role to decide what application the applicant should make. That isn't and ought not to be, their role. It is the applicant's choice to decide on what application s/he makes and their responsibility to provide the evidence to adduce to that application. For instance, an applicant who is eligible for SET(M) may choose to apply for FLR(M) or FLR(FP) for personal reasons. It is not for the caseworker to make the decision for the applicant, it is for the applicant to educate themselves and make the decision about the application. That way, the applicant carries the responsibility for any fault/flaw with the application, its choice and the accompanying evidence.
I am inclined to agree with Vinny on this point.

Also see JH (Zimbabwe) v Secretary of State for the Home Department [2009] EWCA Civ 78 (19 February 2009)

The Home Office were plainly wrong on this point.

I have dealt with matter relating to this on many occasion, and what Home Office normally does, is issue leave under the 10 years route and ask the person to pay NHS surcharge.
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Re: Visa refused due to applying for wrong application. Lost right to work.

Post by vinny » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:23 am

Moreover, if an applicant is eligible for ILR on the date of the decision, then this SET(M) application should have succeeded.
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