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Maintenance Requirements for Elderly Dependent Visa

Post by jinkazama_11 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:11 pm

Hi everyone

I need help with maintenance and accommodation requirements for my mom's elderly dependent visa.

1)- I have read the Accommodation requirements on UKBA website. I am renting a 3 bed room house and I got wife and 2 kids aged 3 and 2. Am i right assuming that this 3 bed room house is enough to fulfill UKBA accommodation requirement?

2)- Maintenance requirements - UKBA guidance doesn't mention any minimum or maximum salary or income thresholds. What is a reasonable figure to satisfy visa officer based on my family structure (myself, wife and 2 kids).

These are major requirements and I would like to get my fact right.

I will be grateful for your help in this matter.

Thanks

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Post by Greenie » Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:22 pm

Yes a 3 bedroom house is big enough because children under 10 can share a room.

there is no minimum salary threshold, you need to show that after rent/mortgage you have left at least the amount of a family of your size on income support, plus the amount that a person of your mother's age would be expected to live on.

How much do you earn, and how much do you pay for council tax and rent or mortgage? How much do you recieve in benefits (e.g. Child benefit, CTC)?

DO you have any money in savings?

what is your immigration status in the UK?

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Post by jinkazama_11 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:29 pm

Greenie wrote:Yes a 3 bedroom house is big enough because children under 10 can share a room.

there is no minimum salary threshold, you need to show that after rent/mortgage you have left at least the amount of a family of your size on income support, plus the amount that a person of your mother's age would be expected to live on.

How much do you earn, and how much do you pay for council tax and rent or mortgage? How much do you recieve in benefits (e.g. Child benefit, CTC)?

DO you have any money in savings?

what is your immigration status in the UK?
Thanks for your reply. Here are my details.

Immigration Status = ILR
Salary = £28470 / year (aprx £1700 / month)
Profit from self employment (in addition to salary) = £3000
Child benefit = £134.8 per 4 weeks
CTC = I am not claiming any CTC
Rent = £425 / month
Council Tax = £84 (10 installments of £84, total £840 a year)
Gas/Elec/Water/Phone/Mobile bills = £150

Savings = about £2500

I am not sure how much money some one of my mom's age would expect (she is 65). I am sending her £170 every month. Is this a reasonable amount?

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

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Post by Greenie » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:36 pm

is the profit from self-employment per month or per year?

what other sources of income does your mother have if any?

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Post by jinkazama_11 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Greenie wrote:is the profit from self-employment per month or per year?

what other sources of income does your mother have if any?
self employment profit is per year.

She got pension of Rs 8200 (Pakistani rupees) per month, its about £60. because of her medical conditions her expenses gone up.

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Post by jinkazama_11 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:32 pm

jinkazama_11 wrote:
Greenie wrote:is the profit from self-employment per month or per year?

what other sources of income does your mother have if any?
self employment profit is per year.

She got pension of Rs 8200 (Pakistani rupees) per month, its about £60. because of her medical conditions her expenses gone up.
Can someone please help me with this maintenance question?

Thanks
Last edited by jinkazama_11 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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ILE requirements

Post by jinkazama_11 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:29 pm

Can someone please help me with this maintenance question?

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Post by Greenie » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:13 pm

The requirement according to the rules as they stand currently is that you need to show that you can adequately support your mother without recourse to public funds. How you show this is that you have sufficient income/savings so that after your rent/mortgage and council tax are deducted from your income, you have at least the amount of a family of your size in receipt of income support

The amounts of income support + pension credit per week are as follows

£105.95 for a couple
£62.33 per child (x 2 for your family)
£102.15 - guarantee pension credit for a single person (this is what your mother would be expected to need to live on).

in £332.76 per week or £1441 per calendar month
According to your figures

You have a total monthly income of around

£1700 (salary) + £250 (self employment) + 146 CB (weekly amount x 52/12) = £2096

take away CT and rent of £84 and £425 = £1587 per month

It seems from your figures that you will just about have enough although if you spending all of your money every month the ECO may doubt that you meet the requirements. However you also have your savings to rely on. Would your mother still recieve her pension?

You might want to look into whether you do qualify for tax credits because you may be entitled to even a small amount but that would top up your income a bit.

Do you have evidence of your profits from self-employment - e.g. your yearly accounts or a copy of your tax return etc?

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ILE requirements

Post by jinkazama_11 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:19 pm

Greenie wrote:The requirement according to the rules as they stand currently is that you need to show that you can adequately support your mother without recourse to public funds. How you show this is that you have sufficient income/savings so that after your rent/mortgage and council tax are deducted from your income, you have at least the amount of a family of your size in receipt of income support

The amounts of income support + pension credit per week are as follows

£105.95 for a couple
£62.33 per child (x 2 for your family)
£102.15 - guarantee pension credit for a single person (this is what your mother would be expected to need to live on).

in £332.76 per week or £1441 per calendar month
According to your figures

You have a total monthly income of around

£1700 (salary) + £250 (self employment) + 146 CB (weekly amount x 52/12) = £2096

take away CT and rent of £84 and £425 = £1587 per month

It seems from your figures that you will just about have enough although if you spending all of your money every month the ECO may doubt that you meet the requirements. However you also have your savings to rely on. Would your mother still recieve her pension?

You might want to look into whether you do qualify for tax credits because you may be entitled to even a small amount but that would top up your income a bit.

Do you have evidence of your profits from self-employment - e.g. your yearly accounts or a copy of your tax return etc?
Hi Greenie

First of all I am really really thankful to you for doing all the calculation for me. much appreciated.

1) The only reason i didnt apply for CTC is that I am under the impression it would have a negative effect on my mom's application. I think i will be able to receive £40/ week in tax credits based on the HMRC calculater.

2) I will try not to use the whole money and leave at least £400 in my account.

3) Yes my mother still receive the pension and will even if she moves to uk

4) Yes i have got tax returns for last two years for my self employment income with bank statements. I will try to submit this years tax return a bit early and can submit tax returns for 3 years with the visa application.

5) I have got the foreign income from property/land. I dont think i can use that. That money goes into my mom's account back home as i rarely go back. The contracts are on my name, majority of property is also on my name but in couple of houses my mom got a share of 12.5%.

6) The house she lives in is also jointly owned with 12.5% her share and rest is mine.

Does the above points have any negative effect on application?

Again i am thankful to you for all your help.

Regards

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Post by jinkazama_11 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:41 pm

Greenie wrote:The requirement according to the rules as they stand currently is that you need to show that you can adequately support your mother without recourse to public funds. How you show this is that you have sufficient income/savings so that after your rent/mortgage and council tax are deducted from your income, you have at least the amount of a family of your size in receipt of income support

The amounts of income support + pension credit per week are as follows

£105.95 for a couple
£62.33 per child (x 2 for your family)
£102.15 - guarantee pension credit for a single person (this is what your mother would be expected to need to live on).

in £332.76 per week or £1441 per calendar month
According to your figures

You have a total monthly income of around

£1700 (salary) + £250 (self employment) + 146 CB (weekly amount x 52/12) = £2096

take away CT and rent of £84 and £425 = £1587 per month

It seems from your figures that you will just about have enough although if you spending all of your money every month the ECO may doubt that you meet the requirements. However you also have your savings to rely on. Would your mother still recieve her pension?

You might want to look into whether you do qualify for tax credits because you may be entitled to even a small amount but that would top up your income a bit.

Do you have evidence of your profits from self-employment - e.g. your yearly accounts or a copy of your tax return etc?
hi
is claiming CTC ll have negative effect on application?

Thanks

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another issue

Post by jinkazama_11 » Mon May 14, 2012 10:53 am

Hi

I got another issue with this application.

When my mom applied for visitor visa in 2007 she declared the income from property and also attached the property valuation documents. She got some share in that property aprox 12.5%. If I calculate her share based on minimum property value it is about Rs. 3500000 (aprx £25000).

Now HO can say that she is not dependent on me as she can sell this property and can employee some one to look after her like a nurse or carer. I am not in a favor of employing a carer mainly because some one can easily take advantage of her as she is living on her own and is old.

Can I put emphasis on this point and will case worker consider this?

She needs emotional support rather than financial support after the death of my Grandmother (her mother) in Oct 2011. Is it possible case worker give preference to emotional element of support over financial support.

Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: another issue

Post by fox2005eng » Tue May 15, 2012 2:06 am

jinkazama_11 wrote:Hi

I got another issue with this application.

When my mom applied for visitor visa in 2007 she declared the income from property and also attached the property valuation documents. She got some share in that property aprox 12.5%. If I calculate her share based on minimum property value it is about Rs. 3500000 (aprx £25000).

Now HO can say that she is not dependent on me as she can sell this property and can employee some one to look after her like a nurse or carer. I am not in a favor of employing a carer mainly because some one can easily take advantage of her as she is living on her own and is old.

Can I put emphasis on this point and will case worker consider this?

She needs emotional support rather than financial support after the death of my Grandmother (her mother) in Oct 2011. Is it possible case worker give preference to emotional element of support over financial support.

Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
hi brother,

sorry I can't help

but, it would be better if you speak to immigration solicitor and explain to him your situation.

Good luck :)

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re

Post by jinkazama_11 » Tue May 15, 2012 3:46 pm

I was thinking to get an opinion from senior members and moderators before I go for professional advise and submit an application through solicitor.

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