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Your residence card, now that it is issued, should be sufficient for travel as long as you are joining or accompanying your EU family member.rlobo wrote:Hey everybody! Apologies if this query has been posted before, but I was unable to find concrete information. If any of you do know,please post relevant links, thanks!
The details:
1. I am an Indian national, living in the UK with my long term 'durable relationship' Dutch partner.
2. I have 'Residence card of a Family Member of an EEA national' stamped on my passport by the UKBA.
3. IMP: I am an UNmarried partner, NOT same-gender; no marriage cert or CP cert.
My travel has been greatly restricted so far due to visa requirements, but now that I have the residence card, hoping to see if it works.(':roll:')
My query: Since we are unmarried partners, we have no marriage cert, so what documents could I provide as evidence for proving family ties with my partner? Apart from a joint bank account -which I do have, but afraid it wont be sufficient.
Any suggestions on what other documents I might have to carry with me to show to the airlines and border guards?
Regards,
Resh
rlobo wrote:...
2. I have 'Residence card of a Family Member of an EEA national' stamped on my passport by the UKBA.
3. IMP: I am an UNmarried partner, NOT same-gender; no marriage cert or CP cert...
No idea how this is to be interpreted.>>2004/38/EC<< wrote:Article 2
Definitions
For the purposes of this Directive:
(...)
2. ‘family member’ means:
(...)
(b) the partner with whom the Union citizen has contracted
a registered partnership, on the basis of the legislation
of a Member State, if the legislation of the host Member
State treats registered partnerships as equivalent to
marriage and in accordance with the conditions laid
down in the relevant legislation of the host Member
State;
I believed "registered partnership" is everything outside marriage, incl. durable partnership, same-sex or not. Learning something new every day, thanks!Jambo wrote:...is for registered partnership for same gender. This is not the case here. He is covered by article 3 2(b)...
If this is so, our ingenious leaders from Brussels would do good in publishing a map of where such couples are allowed to go. It´ll look like a rag rug. Very practical.Jambo wrote:...Some countries (Poland for example) don't recognise same gender marriages and as such those family member can not rely on 2004/38/EC when travelling to Poland. So I believe it's #2.
YourEurope wrote: In several EU countries, you can make your partnership official without getting married, through a registered partnership (sometimes called a civil partnership).
Registered partnerships allow 2 people who live together as a couple to register their union with the relevant public authority in their country of residence.
(...)
Registered partnerships are considered equivalent to marriage in some – but not all – EU countries.
EU countries which do not recognise registered partnerships as equivalent to marriage:
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Estonia
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Malta
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Where they are considered equivalent, they give you the same rights for immigration purposes: your registered partner will be entitled to come with you if you settle in these countries.
moroni wrote:YourEurope wrote: (...)
Registered partnerships are considered equivalent to marriage in some – but not all – EU countries.
EU countries...
(...)
Liechtenstein
(...)
The following is my opinion, but not based on experience or law...Jambo wrote:The definition you referred to in article 2 is for registered partnership for same gender. This is not the case here. He is covered by article 3 2(b) which is for unmarried partners.
For the OP case, the RC should be enough for visa free travel but as you are advised to carry proof of relationship (just in case), it becomes a bit tricky when it is unmarried partner.
Some countries (Poland for example) don't recognise same gender marriages and as such those family member can not rely on 2004/38/EC when travelling to Poland. So I believe it's #2.
Which airline are you flying with? After all the comments on the forum i'm really hesitant to use Ryanair, even though they have tickets for a fiver!!could you also tell me what email address you used to communicate with the Dutch embassy? I cant seem to get a response..mick5 wrote:rlobo Im sailing on the same boat as you are i am going to Malta then Netherland and contacted both High commission's in London they told me you dont need visa as long as your partner(Girl) which is European traveling with you.
But just to be on the safe side better take Joint bank statements and any other documents which is joint or has both names and same address i.e car insurance utility bill but i hope you wont need that but just to be on the safe side other then you dont have to worry.
Edit: Even i spoke to my airline whom iam traveling with they conformed me i dont need any thing just my passport which should have " Family member of EEA natnional" is more then enough.
Hope this help
Mick5 was traveling with Ryan air, who were able to confirm that travel would be possible. see this thread.rlobo wrote:Which airline are you flying with? After all the comments on the forum i'm really hesitant to use Ryanair, even though they have tickets for a fiver!!could you also tell me what email address you used to communicate with the Dutch embassy? I cant seem to get a response..mick5 wrote:rlobo Im sailing on the same boat as you are i am going to Malta then Netherland and contacted both High commission's in London they told me you dont need visa as long as your partner(Girl) which is European traveling with you.
But just to be on the safe side better take Joint bank statements and any other documents which is joint or has both names and same address i.e car insurance utility bill but i hope you wont need that but just to be on the safe side other then you dont have to worry.
Edit: Even i spoke to my airline whom iam traveling with they conformed me i dont need any thing just my passport which should have " Family member of EEA natnional" is more then enough.
Hope this help
While the response may be rather convoluted, the essence of it is pretty much what I had written in my earlier post. Your residence card now that it is issued should exempt you from the visa requirement.rlobo wrote:Thanks folks, for the responses and discussion!
I did also raise this with Solvit - last week and I've just got a rather lenghty and convoluted response from them. I had to read it about three times before I could make sense of around 70% of it.
Yes, but i'm not sure what to make of the above. Especially the bit where they say NO.rlobo wrote:
1) Scope of free movement: Article 3 paragraph 2 Directive 2004/38
A) Do you benefit from the automatic rights of free movement where you are the unmarried partner of an EU citizen?
The short answer is no, given that you fall under the scope of Article 3 paragraph 2 Directive 2004/38. The legal basis for this is based on the wording of Article 3 paragraph 2.