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Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your email.
Your application is currently in a queue awaiting allocation to a caseworker, applications are currently taking approx. 6 months to process, however due to the current corona virus pandemic this may take longer as UKVI is operating with reduced staffing levels as per current government guidelines.
We will contact you should we require any further information or once a decision has been made.
Kind regards,
UKVI
Cancel your visa, immigration or citizenship application. To the best of my knowledge, if you withdraw your application, rather than it being refused, you do get a refund of your application fee, less an administration fee (£25, I think, but not sure).Small wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 11:10 amIs it possible to ask HO to stop my citizenship application? And I want my fee refunded. The political parties in my country are no more in power and the present political party offered me safe way and get my job in my country. I am happy to go back to my country. Also my country won’t allow dual citizenship. Please advise
No. Please create a new thread for your specific questions and circumstances.
Create individual threads for individual circumstances and queries. That thread was locked as, instead of being a general discussion, it had become one long whinge on one specific topic. Complaints and discussion about refugee naturalisation applications can now take place in this thread, which could focus on that specialist field.Fbiboy2002 wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:32 pmWhy the citizenship discussion topic is closed it was very important for most of the users here to follow and ask their questions!
Lastly,Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.
Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.
Examples of relevant factors include:
Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.
This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.
One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf
A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.
It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.
As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.
Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.
We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.
Kind regards,
UKVI
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:winter1234 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:31 pmHi PPTP,
Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?
Kind regards,
Winter1234
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I got similar email about section 3 of AN application form is taking longer time to be checked as the checks are carried out by external agencies.ariskar wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:49 amA similar, but sort of different answer my spouse received today (almost 10 months since application):
Lastly,Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.
Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.
Examples of relevant factors include:
Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.
This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.
One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf
A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.
It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.
As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.
Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.
We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.
Kind regards,
UKVI
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:winter1234 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:31 pmHi PPTP,
Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?
Kind regards,
Winter1234
I guess his account is restricted.Code: Select all
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Hi Small,Small wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:09 pmHello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,
Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months
My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,
Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.
I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.
As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.
Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.
I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.
Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family
Hello Everyone,ariskar wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:49 amA similar, but sort of different answer my spouse received today (almost 10 months since application):
Lastly,Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.
Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.
Examples of relevant factors include:
Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.
This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.
One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf
A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.
It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.
As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.
Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.
We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.
Kind regards,
UKVI
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:winter1234 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:31 pmHi PPTP,
Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?
Kind regards,
Winter1234
I guess his account is restricted.Code: Select all
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Hi BoyTed,
Oh get a grip. User PPTP has NOT been 'blocked' from the forum and last logged in this morning at 11:07am. Maybe they are busy with life and not refreshing the forum page every 5 minutes!!!winter1234 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:43 pmHi BoyTed,
It looks he has been blocked but I don't know why the blocked him.
It is non of your business if anyone refresh this forum every 5 minutes!!!CR001 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:01 pmOh get a grip. User PPTP has NOT been 'blocked' from the forum and last logged in this morning at 11:07am. Maybe they are busy with life and not refreshing the forum page every 5 minutes!!!winter1234 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:43 pmHi BoyTed,
It looks he has been blocked but I don't know why the blocked him.
Small wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:09 pmHello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,
Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months
My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,
Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.
I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.
As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.
Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.
I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.
Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family
It is irrelevant to bring something from 2015 as immigration rules get twists everyday hence what was the policy in 2015 is likely not on now.But as general we know it is just getting worst day by day to believe in the system.Every individual case is dealt differently &according to circumstance.Small wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:52 pmSmall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:09 pmHello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,
Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months
My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,
Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.
I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.
As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.
Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.
I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.
Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family
No idea about the outcome of application . Sorry
It is very simple to understand if you know how politics work .Since Tories came into power their leadership planned to make it difficult for migrants living in UK or want to come &live here .Well fair enough it is their country they can do that but they have no right to abuse people for making money .They also planned to make money from migrants hence we see Hostile Environment & every year sky rocketing visa fees.No one can imagine how many billions UK is making from migrants.They are addicted to make money .But what the Tories want is just make money for them and make hard for them to live here.Delay or refusal of applications ,everyday twists in rules& weird changes all are politicised.HO is fully politicised.Politics is being played with every one facing this.Small wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:48 pmYes I think too it’s intentional delay from HO. Specially when we paid huge fees for each family member. I thought the process would be quicker as everything was done online. HO says they do checks. What sort of checks HO is doing which is taking so much time? I don’t think so HO take as much care of applicants for checks as HO says. Its just a deliberate delay. What happened to wind rush generation and then HO said sorry to them. Why HO does that kind of tacts to frustrate normal hard working people. I do like this country but sorry to say one department i.e. HO, is not reliable. Everyone knows even HO knows that. Shame !
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:29 amIt certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.
If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
You are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!London22 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:48 pmEconomic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:29 amIt certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.
If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Sometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.CR001 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:00 pmYou are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!London22 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:48 pmEconomic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:29 amIt certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.
If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
I got your point the first time secret.simon, as compared to the other member who most likely doesn't have English as his first language. However, HO introduced since 2017 if I am not mistaken, safe-return reviews in the ILR settlement application process for refugees to deal with this exact "economy with the truth". What is the point after these people had their initial refugee status grants (many through more than one loops, application - judicial reviews/appeals), then reassessed after another 5 years for safe return and "economy with the truth". What is the point in the naturalisation process to be re-assessed for the 3rd of 4th time and have a "procedural segregation" compared to other permanent residents who came through different immigration routes?secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:58 pmSometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.CR001 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:00 pmYou are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!London22 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:48 pmEconomic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:29 amIt certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.
If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
"Economical with the truth" has got nothing to do with economics, but with being economical (i.e. not giving out, but keeping to yourself) with the truth. It runs the gamut from not telling the whole truth (i.e. intentionally leaving important details out) to lying.
Your interpretation of economical with truth in here is that some asylum seekers lie so they should be denied ILR or citizenship.Well Home office does make all essential checks before granting asylum.Some members of public are more hostile than the HO as by thinking asylum seekers lie is just undermining credibility of most refugees.Why on earth you think that on citizenship application there should be reviews on someone,s immigration history???This way a system just looks hostile,weird,unjust &Draconian which it is almost .secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:58 pmSometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.CR001 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:00 pmYou are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!London22 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:48 pmEconomic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:29 amIt certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.
If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
"Economical with the truth" has got nothing to do with economics, but with being economical (i.e. not giving out, but keeping to yourself) with the truth. It runs the gamut from not telling the whole truth (i.e. intentionally leaving important details out) to lying.
