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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:34 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

1 Online application
2 Biometrics
3 Submission of evidence
yes. Maybe point 2 & 3 together depending on vfs centre.
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

- Is it useful to provide a utility/council bill in addition to housing inspection report?
Yes if you can as they further strengthened the accomodation evidence although optional.
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm
- On the application form, a question asked is will your sponsor be travelling with you? Does this only apply if I’m in Pakistan and return with him?
Yes from outside UK
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

Thinking long term - will the process be repeated again in 33 months - same level of evidence etc etc? May as well prepare myself mentally now!

More Evidences will be needed especially due to 2 yearly cohabitation evidences. Rest will remain almost same except A2 ielts will needed instead A1
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:41 pm

seagul wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:34 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

1 Online application
2 Biometrics
3 Submission of evidence
yes. Maybe point 2 & 3 together depending on vfs centre.
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

- Is it useful to provide a utility/council bill in addition to housing inspection report?
Yes if you can as they further strengthened the accomodation evidence although optional.
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm
- On the application form, a question asked is will your sponsor be travelling with you? Does this only apply if I’m in Pakistan and return with him?
Yes from outside UK
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:24 pm

Thinking long term - will the process be repeated again in 33 months - same level of evidence etc etc? May as well prepare myself mentally now!

More Evidences will be needed especially due to 2 yearly cohabitation evidences. Rest will remain almost same except A2 ielts will needed instead A1
I’ll worry about the extension once we get passed this first hurdle.

I’m sure I’ll have more questions as I get closer to submission but I really can’t thank you enough and very much appreciate your advice.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:08 pm

Hi seagul

So I’ve finally confirmed the online application with the solicitor and I wanted to ask a question. My solicitor has set my expectations that due to the immigration history and the fact that my spouse left the UK for Ireland mid way a Tier 4 application, (without informing the UKBA) it may look slightly negatively. And of course the passport issue may also impact the decision too. We have evidence and have seen via the sar that all applications were in date; he was not an overstayer nor did he receive a notice to leave the country. (They were looking for him to serve but he’d left by then).

He’s had one refusal for the Tier 4, a family visit for Dubai refused (which we’ve clarified previously with you) and a current ongoing appeal in ROI which I’ve previously listed in previous posts. He’s currently in Pakistan where were making the spouse visa

How badly do you think this may impact the application? We meet all other requirements but I know it’s subjective

I also know you’re not in a positive to offer legal advice but I just wanted your thoughts?

Thanks

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:47 pm

seagul wrote:
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Advice needed on last issue that has arisen


1) Passport 1 used by my spouse to enter the UK on a Tier 4 Student. Also used to make a fresh new application for tier 4 whilst in country - currently retained by UKBA as never requested back - second Tier 4 subsequently refused after husband had left the UK
2) Passport 2 requested whilst Passport 1 was with UKBA for consideration. Passport 1 was reported as stolen to request Passport 2. Passport 2 now expired and in our possession
3) Passport 3 in date and in use

for purposes of online application - Passport 1 is described as lost however technically it wasn’t lost but only reported lost in order to obtain passport 2

what do we say for the online application? Do we choose ‘lost’ as it was originally reported and provide explanation within cover letter that my spouse didn’t know he could have requested it back - which is in fact what happened?

Thete is an option which says ‘other’ but I’m not sure if that’s the right option to use as it was never lost in the first place and I’m worried this may count against us - will it??
UKVI strictly dislike lying and exercise no discretion over it. A passport with HO can never be reported as lost/stolen. It can be an issue whenever get known to them.
Above one will definitely cause issue and delays.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:16 pm

seagul wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:47 pm
seagul wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:29 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:05 pm
Advice needed on last issue that has arisen


1) Passport 1 used by my spouse to enter the UK on a Tier 4 Student. Also used to make a fresh new application for tier 4 whilst in country - currently retained by UKBA as never requested back - second Tier 4 subsequently refused after husband had left the UK
2) Passport 2 requested whilst Passport 1 was with UKBA for consideration. Passport 1 was reported as stolen to request Passport 2. Passport 2 now expired and in our possession
3) Passport 3 in date and in use

for purposes of online application - Passport 1 is described as lost however technically it wasn’t lost but only reported lost in order to obtain passport 2

what do we say for the online application? Do we choose ‘lost’ as it was originally reported and provide explanation within cover letter that my spouse didn’t know he could have requested it back - which is in fact what happened?

Thete is an option which says ‘other’ but I’m not sure if that’s the right option to use as it was never lost in the first place and I’m worried this may count against us - will it??
UKVI strictly dislike lying and exercise no discretion over it. A passport with HO can never be reported as lost/stolen. It can be an issue whenever get known to them.
Above one will definitely cause issue and delays.
I suspect so too although I want to be completely honest therefore I will be including a paragraph in the circumstances explaining that my husband didn’t know he could request the passport back - which he actually didn’t. And then hope for the best!

So we will have to see how this one fairs out. There was another user within the forum pinayintheuk I believe but I can’t see any further updates from this user? Very similar situation

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by Fififadi » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:10 am

Hi

Do you have an update on your situation? My spouse application is very similar to yours.

Have you had an outcome on your application?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:50 pm

Fififadi wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:10 am
Hi

Do you have an update on your situation? My spouse application is very similar to yours.

Have you had an outcome on your application?
Im glad to see I’m not the only one. I’m looking to submit the application within the next week and will be completely open and transparent and allow the HO to make a decision based on honesty.

What’s your situation? What have you chosen to do to help?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by Fififadi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:27 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:50 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:10 am
Hi

Do you have an update on your situation? My spouse application is very similar to yours.

Have you had an outcome on your application?
Im glad to see I’m not the only one. I’m looking to submit the application within the next week and will be completely open and transparent and allow the HO to make a decision based on honesty.

What’s your situation? What have you chosen to do to help?
We went for the honesty route too. We were completely transparent in our application and sent a cover letter also requesting the case to be viewed independently of previous immigration history, having understood and acknowledged how it can cast reservations when reviewing this application.

My husband was in the UK between 2010 and 2014 on a student visa. His student visa expired sometime in 2013 and he submitted for an extension which was refused. He appealed and it was refused and then had a JR which was denied. He then was detained but granted bail. He then left to go to ROI where he submitted a new application as family member of an EEA national (his brother is a UK citizen). This was declined due to insufficient evidence being submitted (no other reason). He appealed this and the appeal process was still ongoing since 2017. In the meantime, he left to go back to original country (Pakistan) we got married - and have now applied for a spouse visa and withdrawn the appeal in ROI.

I'm very scared as to the outcome, and praying for the best.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:13 pm

Fififadi wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:27 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:50 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:10 am
Hi

Do you have an update on your situation? My spouse application is very similar to yours.

Have you had an outcome on your application?
Im glad to see I’m not the only one. I’m looking to submit the application within the next week and will be completely open and transparent and allow the HO to make a decision based on honesty.

What’s your situation? What have you chosen to do to help?
We went for the honesty route too. We were completely transparent in our application and sent a cover letter also requesting the case to be viewed independently of previous immigration history, having understood and acknowledged how it can cast reservations when reviewing this application.

My husband was in the UK between 2010 and 2014 on a student visa. His student visa expired sometime in 2013 and he submitted for an extension which was refused. He appealed and it was refused and then had a JR which was denied. He then was detained but granted bail. He then left to go to ROI where he submitted a new application as family member of an EEA national (his brother is a UK citizen). This was declined due to insufficient evidence being submitted (no other reason). He appealed this and the appeal process was still ongoing since 2017. In the meantime, he left to go back to original country (Pakistan) we got married - and have now applied for a spouse visa and withdrawn the appeal in ROI.

I'm very scared as to the outcome, and praying for the best.
That’s almost very similar to my husbands situation excluding the JR/detention.
Did you manage to withdraw the appeal with ROI? We tried to do that and they wouldn’t allow us to withdraw the appeal telling us it had to continue to clarify immigration history. So my husband left for his native country midst of the on going appeal.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:29 pm

seagul wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:19 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:03 pm
seagul wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:20 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:26 pm


Thanks seagul. Is there any detriment to using the visa4uk? I ask as our solicitor has completed the form via visa4uk but I was recently made aware of the .gov site too and wondered if there’s a major issue in continuing use of visa4uk?
I don't think there will be any issue if application has been made through visa4uk because in near past it was the only site to apply. Since you have already so better to wait n see.
Seagul, please can I confirm if the following is sufficient?

1) Employers letter dated in July
2) Housing inspection reported dated July
3) July bank statement
4) July paper statement
5) Communication / evidence of up until August

Ideal date to submit by is 22 August as my pay date was 26 July

Am I on the right lines?
If you are planning to apply by 22nd August then your documents can be dated until 25th July to meet the 28 days requirement. communication evidence can be even until biometrics.

Hi Seagul

Please can you clarify something for me? Unfortunately I’m experiencing delays from the solicitors side in submitting the online application. Frustrated to say the least.

Am I right in thinking that if tomorrow / 23 August is the last date to submit payslip of 26 July... I will then have to wait for August’s payslip and paper statement?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by CR001 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:30 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:29 pm
Hi Seagul

Please can you clarify something for me? Unfortunately I’m experiencing delays from the solicitors side in submitting the online application. Frustrated to say the least.

Am I right in thinking that if tomorrow / 23 August is the last date to submit payslip of 26 July... I will then have to wait for August’s payslip and paper statement?
That would be a correct assumption yes.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:33 pm

CR001 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:30 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:29 pm
Hi Seagul

Please can you clarify something for me? Unfortunately I’m experiencing delays from the solicitors side in submitting the online application. Frustrated to say the least.

Am I right in thinking that if tomorrow / 23 August is the last date to submit payslip of 26 July... I will then have to wait for August’s payslip and paper statement?
That would be a correct assumption yes.
Thanks CR001
Does that also mean that my employers letter and housing inspection report dates in July will be void?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by CR001 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:35 pm

Potentially yes.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:43 pm

CR001 wrote:
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Potentially yes.
Thank you again. In your experience on this forums have many applications hit a brick wall if housing inspection report and employers letter are out of date? I understand the need for the payslip/statement to be within 28 days but my circumstances haven’t changed since those two letters and I wonder if a statement confirming this would suffice? Or should I just request another copy if we miss tomorrow’s deadline?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by CR001 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Out of date documents would likely be ignored, as if they have not been submitted.

Housing inspection report should be ok. You should however get an up to date employer letter.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:54 pm

CR001 wrote:
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Out of date documents would likely be ignored, as if they have not been submitted.

Housing inspection report should be ok. You should however get an up to date employer letter.
Ah right I understand. It’ll probably just be the same letter with a new date on it. Thanks CR001. Let’s hope I can get it in in the next two days to avoid this situation.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:34 pm

CR001 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:47 pm
Out of date documents would likely be ignored, as if they have not been submitted.

Housing inspection report should be ok. You should however get an up to date employer letter.
CR001, if you don’t mind answering one more question. Does the 28 calendar day rule apply from day of online submission? Eg when I submit via Visa4UK?

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Post by Korekt » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:37 pm

ms1993 wrote:
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Am I right in thinking that if tomorrow / 23 August is the last date to submit payslip of 26 July...
You may have a few more days. Is 26 July the date payment was received?

Some wageslips may have a pay date, for example of 26 July, but cover the period 1 July to 31 July. In these cases the 28 days begins from the period end date. So 31 July, not 26 July, the date payment was received.

Check your wageslip.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:48 pm

Korekt wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:37 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:29 pm
Am I right in thinking that if tomorrow / 23 August is the last date to submit payslip of 26 July...
You may have a few more days. Is 26 July the date payment was received?

Some wageslips may have a pay date, for example of 26 July, but cover the period 1 July to 31 July. In these cases the 28 days begins from the period end date. So 31 July, not 26 July, the date payment was received.

Check your wageslip.
Ah I didn’t know this? I’m really confused with this 28 day rule anyway. But I’ve just checked...

It says period end date is 31 July 2019?
Pay date 26 July
Are you sure it starts from 31 July?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:58 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:34 pm
Does the 28 calendar day rule apply from day of online submission? Eg when I submit via Visa4UK?
Yes
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:34 pm
It says period end date is 31 July 2019?
Pay date 26 July
Are you sure it starts from 31 July?
It will start from 31st July despite you get paid few days earlier.
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