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EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:32 pm

Dear all,

May I seek some advice, I am a british citizen living in Spain, I have moved here to be with my partner (Non European national) 3 years ago we have a beautiful daughter now, I have worked for a year and a halfhalf I had to look after my daughter as my wife to be was earning much more than I was. Previously we applied for a visiting visa to visit the UK, few weeks ago we applied for a family visa to revisit, however, we have decided to go back to live in the UK now. My questions are:
1) can we still apply through the SS route having been granted the visiting visa?
2) as she's entitled to her tax contribution when she leaves the country with a condition to give back her residency card in Morocco (country of origin) to receive the remaining 60% can we travel to the UK from Morocco having applied from Spain? And with the EEA family permit can she travel freely from the UK to Morocco on that 6 month period? 

Your advice and guidance is very much appreciated.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:07 pm

ben72 wrote:Dear all,

May I seek some advice, I am a british citizen living in Spain, I have moved here to be with my partner (Non European national) 3 years ago we have a beautiful daughter now, I have worked for a year and a halfhalf I had to look after my daughter as my wife to be was earning much more than I was. Previously we applied for a visiting visa to visit the UK, few weeks ago we applied for a family visa to revisit, however, we have decided to go back to live in the UK now. My questions are:
1) can we still apply through the SS route having been granted the visiting visa?
2) as she's entitled to her tax contribution when she leaves the country with a condition to give back her residency card in Morocco (country of origin) to receive the remaining 60% can we travel to the UK from Morocco having applied from Spain? And with the EEA family permit can she travel freely from the UK to Morocco on that 6 month period? 

Your advice and guidance is very much appreciated.
What do you mean: "few weeks ago we applied for a family visa to revisit"? Do you mean an EEA family permit? Or do you mean that you applied for another type of family visit visa (not an EEA family permit) and have received that already?
1) You can apply through SS as long as you meet the requirements around centre of life and that the EEA citizen was working in Spain and can prove it. You will need to prove your year and a half of work by providing pay slips/contracts etc.
2) Don't know anything about this, sorry.

Actually, it doesn't matter that the non-EEA national has a visitors visa for the UK. They can still live with you there, but I would say that you need to apply for the EEA2 residence card when you get to the UK. This is an excerpt of an email that I received from the the European Operational Policy team within the Home Office a few months ago:
"In your circumstances, an Irish national in the UK exercising your Treaty Rights and holding a Residence Permit your partner may enter the UK with a apply to enter the UK with a Visit Visa under British immigration Law, and then apply to switch into European Law with the EEA2 application form. There is no Immigration or European Law specifically in place to prevent this method of entry to the UK.

The correct procedure however would be for you partner to enter the UK with the appropriate EEA Family Permit, as if they apply for a Visit Visa they will be stating to the Entry Clearance Officer and the Immigration Officer that they are planning to leave the UK at the end of the stay, and this is clearly not the case.

Yours Sincerely,
UK Visas and Immigration"

We did not do SS as I am Irish, but the above points to the fact that a visitors visa for the UK doesn't hinder applications for a residence card. If you want to confirm this, you could email: DMCCroydon@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk or EuropeanOperational@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk.

Hope this helps a bit
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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:41 pm

Hi Chaoclive,
What I meant, before knowing about the SS route which would of been free of charge, we applied for a family visiting visa to visit my mum.
What I really need to know is if we are granted this visa tomorrow can we still apply for the EEA family permit from here in spain before travelling to the UK? I have my Spanish residency card my work contract and the history of all the contribution from the tax office, unfortunately I don't have any payslips. Also residency history with my partner ( getting married in a few weeks) marriage certificate and family book which will include my daughter who has a british passport.
Many thanks

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:46 pm

I'm not really sure if your fiancee can apply for another EEA family permit when she (I'm assuming) already has a visit visa.

However, as per the email that I copied above, having a visit visa won't cause her any problems in the UK (at least that's what the Home Office told me in that email) so you wouldn't need an EEA family permit if she already has a visit visa.

Send them an email and ask. They should know. Alternatively, you could email the visa processing centre where you applied for the visit visa.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:06 pm

Thanks again,
I will find out tomorrow the outcome of the visiting visa and take the next step.
While in the UK when applying for the EEA2 do we need to send our passports or just copies? as we need to travel to Morocco and back.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:24 pm

They will need your original passports to prove the identity of both the EEA national (you) and your partner (then wife). We just sent off our EEA2 application the other day and the form specifically says that you should include the original passports.

However, you can request them back after you get the certificate of application from the Home Office using the online document request form here: https://eforms.homeoffice.gov.uk/outrea ... ments.ofml. The form specifically says: "We generally advise that you should not make any travel plans until we have returned your passport. If you need your passport because you have to travel urgently and unexpectedly, use the return of documents request form at www.gov.uk/visa-documents-returned.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:38 pm

Many thanks Clive, I really appreciate your help and advice.
I guess the only thing that I need to find out is if we are granted this visa tomorrow can we travel from Morocco instead of travelling from Spain if that would be possible it would help a lot.
One last question please; once we are granted the visiting family visa do we have to go to the UK immediately and apply or can we travel later as long as the visa is still valid? Since the application take some time.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:12 pm

ben72 wrote:Many thanks Clive, I really appreciate your help and advice.
I guess the only thing that I need to find out is if we are granted this visa tomorrow can we travel from Morocco instead of travelling from Spain if that would be possible it would help a lot. YES, OF COURSE YOU CAN BOTH ENTER THE UK DIRECTLY IF YOU HAVE A VISA WHICH ALLOWS HER TO GO WITH YOU.
One last question please; once we are granted the visiting family visa do we have to go to the UK immediately and apply or can we travel later as long as the visa is still valid? Since the application take some time.
SHE CAN TRAVEL TO THE UK AS LONG AS THE VISA IS IN DATE.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:25 pm

Many thanks Clive I will keep an update here as we progress on with this journey.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by Obie » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:04 pm

The Visitors Visa should be just fine, even without a visa she will be just fine in securing entry at the border.

The Person that wrote that email, is simply chatting nonsense.
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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:59 pm

Thanks Obie,
My only concern can we enter from an non European country with a visa? Regardless which type of visa we are applying from Spain but will be travelling to the UK from Morocco.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:08 pm

And since my fiancee is not European she will need a visa otherwise she won't be able to board a plane.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:14 pm

ben72 wrote:Thanks Obie,
My only concern can we enter from an non European country with a visa? Regardless which type of visa we are applying from Spain but will be travelling to the UK from Morocco.
My partner entered the UK from China on visitor visas 3 times. No issue.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:21 pm

Thanks !Regardless from where the application was submitted?

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:15 pm

a valid visa is enough.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:37 pm

Many thanks Clive! Now I've got it, all is needed now is getting all the paperwork together and hopefully the outcome tomorrow she will get the visiting family visa.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:41 pm

The family visiting visa has arrived this morning! The next thing is preparing all the documents! One question:
Can we show the documents to immigration at the airport to explain our intention since our circumstances have changed? or not necessarily and just apply for the EEA family permit EEA2 once we get in?
Many thanks

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:48 pm

ben72 wrote:The family visiting visa has arrived this morning! The next thing is preparing all the documents! One question:
Can we show the documents to immigration at the airport to explain our intention since our circumstances have changed? or not necessarily and just apply for the EEA family permit EEA2 once we get in?
Many thanks
Can anyone please advice on the above!!!

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:57 pm

ben72 wrote:
ben72 wrote:The family visiting visa has arrived this morning! The next thing is preparing all the documents! One question:
Can we show the documents to immigration at the airport to explain our intention since our circumstances have changed? or not necessarily and just apply for the EEA family permit EEA2 once we get in?
Many thanks
Can anyone please advice on the above!!!
I'm not sure that anyone will be able to advise you on that here. I haven't noticed this kind of situation being mentioned here. I'd advise you to contact the 2 email addresses I pasted above.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by ben72 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:16 pm

Hi Chaoclive,
Thanks for your reply, I have emailed them and yet to receive an answer, hence I'm panicking :( since my wife will be handling back her Spanish residency card Im scared that might disqualify her for the SS route.

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Re: EEA family permit for a non EEU citizen

Post by chaoclive » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:43 pm

ben72 wrote:Hi Chaoclive,
Thanks for your reply, I have emailed them and yet to receive an answer, hence I'm panicking :( since my wife will be handling back her Spanish residency card Im scared that might disqualify her for the SS route.
Are you in a rush to enter the UK? Don't forget to make copies of any of the documents that you get there!

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