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Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by talk23 » Sat May 20, 2017 5:46 pm

I would like to get some visa advise, to assist me and my partner who is Russian woman, we are planning for her to come to the UK FOR THE FIRST TIME, we have met in other countries,on 3 occasions, for holidays, but we are not sure which would be the most suitable visa for her to apply for to start her life with me in UK. We are planning to get married within the next 6 to 10 months, this could be either in UK or any other country. I have researched the UK.Gov immigration website to try to find the most appropriate visa for her to apply for, but this is not clear or straight forward.
I know we have several options, which are she can apply for a tourist visa for up to 6 months, or a temporary marriage visa,also 6 months, a spouse visa or a family visa.
I would also like to know if the best option would be to start with a 6 month visa as it will be her first UK visa or should she apply for a 1 3 or 5 year visa of some kind?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by Casa » Sat May 20, 2017 5:49 pm

Is your intention for her to settle with you in the UK now or some time in the future?
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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by Wanderer » Sat May 20, 2017 7:30 pm

Start with a six month visit visa and have a visit a few weeks at a time over the six months. Remember six months is VALIDITY, doesn't mean she can stay for six months in one go, that's not a really a visit.

Whilst it's not against the rules strictly speaking, it would cause issues in future, search here and see.
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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by talk23 » Sat May 20, 2017 7:59 pm

Hi Thanks for your advice, she was intending just to come for a few weeks visit to start with,on a 6 months visa would be fine then to return 3 to for months later on the same 6 months visa, then we was hoping she can apply for a marriage or spouse visa at a later stage. Which Ive heard would be easier for her to get once she has already qualified for the visitors visa and come for a few visits first.

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by Casa » Sat May 20, 2017 8:17 pm

Previous visits aren't likely to have any benefits for a spouse visa application, but visiting will enable your fiancee to find out if she would like to settle in the UK in the future.

When it comes to settlement you have options:
1. Marry outside of the UK and then apply for a Spouse Settlement visa. Visa fee is currently £1464 + £600 IHS surcharge. Form VAF4a
or
2. Apply for a fiancee visa - £1464 (no IHS surcharge at this stage). Form VAF4A

Then marry in the UK and apply for a 2.5 year FLR(M) Spouse visa within 6 months and before the fiancee visa expires.

Visa fee £993 (postal) + £500 IHS surcharge. A FLR(M) application submitted in person at a PSC would be £1583 + £500 IHS surcharge.
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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by SimonS » Sun May 21, 2017 1:47 am

Hi Talk23,

I have just married my Russian wife last month and submitted the spouse Visa application. Waiting on a decision. Your story is very similar my own experience with my wife. We visited many Schengen countires together over the course of a year because it's very easy for Russians to get a Finnish Schengen and cross the Finnish/Russian border on a day return to receive the necessary stamp to start their trip in Europe. Prior to our marriage, my wife visited the UK on 4 occassions each time on the short stay tourist Visa and for no longer than about 17 days. She got 3 Visas in total.

As advised above, be very careful with this though. On the third occassion she visited the UK in an 8 month period she was almost refused entry. I was waiting for her in the arrivals at the airport and was called by a UK border official and had to spend over half an hour on the phone to them explaining our relationship in uncomfortable detail and convincing them she would leave. They did not tell me whether they would let her in. I only knew when she appeared about 15 minutes later, nerve wracking does not even come close. The problem is, if they ask her where she is staying and of course she naturally and honestly gives your address, well, tourist becomes very questionable.

I also visited Russia on 3 occassions prior to our wedding in Russia in April this year. It's easy to visit Russia the frst two times in a year on a tourist Visa but they are very short, one entry, 30 days max. Once you have used two visits in a 12 month period you can no longer use a tourist Visa and must get a business Visa but an agent can help with the particulars required for that.

The moderators and experts on here are superb and the advice is excellent, but I would add one small point that slightly contradicts something above. The guidance for ECO on "subsisting relationship" (required for eventual spouse visa) which I actually have read, suggests, a valid consideration of meeting this requirement is "having visited each others home country". Of course one could argue what weight and proprotion is given to the demonstration of this but nonetheless, it is clear in the guidance to the ECO for the decision.

You should make sure you start to keep all of the receipts/flight confirmations/boarding passes etc for hotels and flights now. You will need to send them as part of the settlement visa application to demonstrate "subsisting relationship".

Anyway, the long and short of it is we did all the research for marriage and we concluded that in our case, the easiest and most cost effective route was to marry in Russia -we'd both been married before and were not interested in a big, all family invited ceremony. You can always do a renewal of vows in the UK at a later date. Beleive me, the costs for the settlement Visa go way beyond the upfront fee's. The amount of documents you may need translating, notarising and apostilled could be significant. Those services are not cheap even in Russia. Without the wedding, the Visa application for settlement alone, with priority, once sundry expenses are included is close to £3500.

I have my own thread on this board detailing every step. Perhaps you may have already read it but if not, it's called "Spouse Visa For My Russian Wife - Please Help". I've no idea which page it's on now so best to just Google it.

Since your relationship parallels my own, quite happy to give any advice from my experience.

Good Luck
Simon

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by Casa » Sun May 21, 2017 11:15 am

SimonS wrote:Hi Talk23,

I have just married my Russian wife last month and submitted the spouse Visa application. Waiting on a decision. Your story is very similar my own experience with my wife. We visited many Schengen countires together over the course of a year because it's very easy for Russians to get a Finnish Schengen and cross the Finnish/Russian border on a day return to receive the necessary stamp to start their trip in Europe. Prior to our marriage, my wife visited the UK on 4 occassions each time on the short stay tourist Visa and for no longer than about 17 days. She got 3 Visas in total.

As advised above, be very careful with this though. On the third occassion she visited the UK in an 8 month period she was almost refused entry. I was waiting for her in the arrivals at the airport and was called by a UK border official and had to spend over half an hour on the phone to them explaining our relationship in uncomfortable detail and convincing them she would leave. They did not tell me whether they would let her in. I only knew when she appeared about 15 minutes later, nerve wracking does not even come close. The problem is, if they ask her where she is staying and of course she naturally and honestly gives your address, well, tourist becomes very questionable.

I also visited Russia on 3 occassions prior to our wedding in Russia in April this year. It's easy to visit Russia the frst two times in a year on a tourist Visa but they are very short, one entry, 30 days max. Once you have used two visits in a 12 month period you can no longer use a tourist Visa and must get a business Visa but an agent can help with the particulars required for that.

The moderators and experts on here are superb and the advice is excellent, but I would add one small point that slightly contradicts something above. The guidance for ECO on "subsisting relationship" (required for eventual spouse visa) which I actually have read, suggests, a valid consideration of meeting this requirement is "having visited each others home country". Of course one could argue what weight and proprotion is given to the demonstration of this but nonetheless, it is clear in the guidance to the ECO for the decision.

You should make sure you start to keep all of the receipts/flight confirmations/boarding passes etc for hotels and flights now. You will need to send them as part of the settlement visa application to demonstrate "subsisting relationship".

Anyway, the long and short of it is we did all the research for marriage and we concluded that in our case, the easiest and most cost effective route was to marry in Russia -we'd both been married before and were not interested in a big, all family invited ceremony. You can always do a renewal of vows in the UK at a later date. Beleive me, the costs for the settlement Visa go way beyond the upfront fee's. The amount of documents you may need translating, notarising and apostilled could be significant. Those services are not cheap even in Russia. Without the wedding, the Visa application for settlement alone, with priority, once sundry expenses are included is close to £3500.

I have my own thread on this board detailing every step. Perhaps you may have already read it but if not, it's called "Spouse Visa For My Russian Wife - Please Help". I've no idea which page it's on now so best to just Google it.

Since your relationship parallels my own, quite happy to give any advice from my experience.

Good Luck
Simon
Simon's thread can be found here:
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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by hubble14 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:41 pm

For anyone reading this in the future:

Above it is mentioned that you can only visit Russia twice in a year on tourist visas.

I can confirm that in 2016 I visited Russia 6 times on tourist visas using 3 double entry tourist visas - no issues.

I can confirm that in 2017 I visited Russia 6 times on tourist visas using 2 single entry and 2 double entry visas - again no issues.

I am not sure where this myth about tourist visas has come from and there certainly is no information on the VAC's website. Maybe an agency has made this up so that someone pays extra for business visa services - I am not sure. My advise would be not to pay the extra for the business visa though.

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by hubble14 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:42 pm

Also - one more thing - getting a Russia tourist visa is easy and the form is really really easy to fill in - no need to pay an agency to help you. If anyone would like any help I am here to help.

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by Wanderer » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:07 pm

hubble14 wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:42 pm
Also - one more thing - getting a Russia tourist visa is easy and the form is really really easy to fill in - no need to pay an agency to help you. If anyone would like any help I am here to help.

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by hubble14 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:58 pm

Yes of course you need to give biometric details at the VAC

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Re: Visa advice required for Russian partner

Post by CR001 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:09 pm

hubble14 wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:58 pm
Yes of course you need to give biometric details at the VAC
No need to post in various old topics. Please keep your questions in your own thread.

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