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Well, if UKVI were to become aware of this, then this would pretty obviously be relevant to good character. This is because driving a foreign-registered car in the UK for longer than 6 months amounts to a criminal offence under section 29 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 and, on the facts, quite possible an additional offence under section 47(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Since you are obvs aware that your conduct casts doubt on the good character requirement, you should (1) regularise the status immediately and (2) explain the circumstances on form AN. Whilst it is true that UKVI do not generally conduct entry/exit checks on EEA nationals (such checks are in any event limited to air transportation at present due to advance passenger information provisions), this can always come to light after naturalisation. Note that the Deprivation Screening Team at UKVI quite rigorously pursue deception or non-disclosure-based deprivation proceedings for which there is no statute of limitations, as it were. Always err on the side of caution and make full disclosure. It'd be surprising if you were refused if you make full disclosure and have lawfully registered your vehicle before applying.hlodryk wrote:astonished wrote:hlodryk wrote:Hi,
I'm new to this blog.
Have a question on behalf of those EU nationals applying for BC who have been driving their cars on EU plates (obviously having regular EU MOT's and valid EU insurance) for significantly longer period than legally allowed 6 moths.
Can such circumstance - if found and confirmed by HO - constitute a ground of refusal of BC app?
I can imagine that one of the possible ways for HO to actually find out applicant's number plate is when they check absences (in and out dates, although I'm not sure whether HO does such checks ), and Dover comes up as an entry point. As they can at this point immediately realize that applicant has a car, next thing they can do is to check DVLA only to find out that the person is no on the system, which in turn should give them enough clue that the applicant is driving car not registered in the UK.
Would they have then an access to a ferry booking details which would give them the person's number plate?
Hi
The HO don't do the particular check you describe for entries and exits.
Hi,
Thanks for info.
But what if HO detects in some other way that the applicant may have a car, and subsequent DVLA check gives them hint that the guy is probably driving EU registered car. Would that fact make it more difficult for them to meet good character requirement?
TeamAc4 wrote:Well, if UKVI were to become aware of this, then this would pretty obviously be relevant to good character. This is because driving a foreign-registered car in the UK for longer than 6 months amounts to a criminal offence under section 29 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 and, on the facts, quite possible an additional offence under section 47(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Since you are obvs aware that your conduct casts doubt on the good character requirement, you should (1) regularise the status immediately and (2) explain the circumstances on form AN. Whilst it is true that UKVI do not generally conduct entry/exit checks on EEA nationals (such checks are in any event limited to air transportation at present due to advance passenger information provisions), this can always come to light after naturalisation. Note that the Deprivation Screening Team at UKVI quite rigorously pursue deception or non-disclosure-based deprivation proceedings for which there is no statute of limitations, as it were. Always err on the side of caution and make full disclosure. It'd be surprising if you were refused if you make full disclosure and have lawfully registered your vehicle before applying.hlodryk wrote:astonished wrote:hlodryk wrote:Hi,
I'm new to this blog.
Have a question on behalf of those EU nationals applying for BC who have been driving their cars on EU plates (obviously having regular EU MOT's and valid EU insurance) for significantly longer period than legally allowed 6 moths.
Can such circumstance - if found and confirmed by HO - constitute a ground of refusal of BC app?
I can imagine that one of the possible ways for HO to actually find out applicant's number plate is when they check absences (in and out dates, although I'm not sure whether HO does such checks ), and Dover comes up as an entry point. As they can at this point immediately realize that applicant has a car, next thing they can do is to check DVLA only to find out that the person is no on the system, which in turn should give them enough clue that the applicant is driving car not registered in the UK.
Would they have then an access to a ferry booking details which would give them the person's number plate?
Hi
The HO don't do the particular check you describe for entries and exits.
Hi,
Thanks for info.
But what if HO detects in some other way that the applicant may have a car, and subsequent DVLA check gives them hint that the guy is probably driving EU registered car. Would that fact make it more difficult for them to meet good character requirement?
TeamAc4 wrote:Hi hlodryk
I apologise if the post was confusing.
My reference to "deception and non-disclosure" related only to deception/fraud used in the naturalisation proceeding itself, or in previous immigration applications. It has no direct bearing on the question of whether the applicant is of "good character". This expression is used in Schedule 1 to the British Nationality Act 1981 (the BNA) but unfortunately not defined, so the Home Secretary has issued guidance in the Nationality Instructions (Vol.1, Chapter 18, Annex D, available here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _D_v02.pdf) as to how to apply the "good character" requirement. Clearly, prior conduct, whether or not it led to conviction, is relevant in this assessment. However, where an applicant volunteers information that is relevant to the good character requirement, the applicant has not been convicted/not received a penalty/caution, and has settled their score with the agency (in this case, DVLA), and the matter was only regulatory in nature (as this was), then it is hard to see how the caseworker can conceivably regard such an applicant as not being of good character. In other words, deception is very often a much bigger deal than the underlying offence.
If a relevant fact (again, regardless of whether a conviction occurred or not) is knowingly or recklessly not disclosed in the application, then that qualifies as deception under section 40 of the BNA and is indefinite grounds for deprivation. I hope this clarifies the point I made before.
As for your second point, you've indeed nailed it. As a leading textbook on immigration law puts it, "British citizenship is now less a matter of intrinsic personal identity and more a matter of contingent privilege, which may be removed on the posting of a letter" (Clayton 2016, 99). Having said that, virtually all countries recognise deception as being grounds for deprivation (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ). Some countries, such as Germany, may recognise a time limit or "statute of limitations" outside which deprivation proceedings may no longer occur. The UK and the majority of common law countries know no such time limit. Therefore, always advisable to be open in UKVI applications, not least because they're becoming quite sophisticated and intent on finding deceptive practices, in the current climate. If in doubt, disclose, justify and explain away.
What was the reason for refusal?Ella314 wrote:Hello everyone,
My application for BC has been refused. I'm thinking to complete NR form but need some clarification. Is there a deadline for this ( not much info on HO website) and secondly, do I have to include my passport,biometric card and other documents?
You don't need a solicitor if you have the copy of the application etc.Ella314 wrote:As far as I remember they didn't sent anything. Why do you think is better to do it with solicitor? I called HO today, they told me when I complete NR form to include the copy of application submitted in 2011. Thank you for your reply.
What was the exact wording of the refusal of your citizenship application (taking out any personal details).Ram001 wrote:Hi,
Can some please help with my case below...
Citizenship application Refused on the grounds of Good character....
Application made on 06 March 2017, query received on 07 June 2017 and Refusal letter received on 17/06/2017.
my case details
Below are my VISA details,
Valid from Valid to Type of Permit Mode of Application
05/07/2006 31/12/2008 Student Postal
01/01/2009 22/01/2009 International Graduate Scheme Postal
23/01/2009 22/01/2010 Tier 1 Post Study Work Postal
24/02/2013 Tier 1 (General) HSMP Postal
25/02/2013 24/02/2015 Leave to Remain In person premium service
25/02/2015 28/01/2025 Settlement In person premium service
29 March 2009 i have applied for Tier 1 HSMP visa and on 18 May 2009 it was rejected due to insufficient earnings. But fortunately my circumstances have changed and i made a fresh application before my post study visa got expired and i was then granted tier 1 HSMP visa on 24/02/2010.
The case worker has sent a query asking what was i doing from the period my Tier 1 HSMP VISA got rejected and 24/02/2010 i was granted
Why have you ignored my question and posted an almost identical post again? I am asking for the exact wording of the refusal.CR001 wrote:What was the exact wording of the refusal of your citizenship application (taking out any personal details).Ram001 wrote:Hi,
Can some please help with my case below...
Citizenship application Refused on the grounds of Good character....
Application made on 06 March 2017, query received on 07 June 2017 and Refusal letter received on 17/06/2017.
Sorry was trying to upload the image but unable to do it, so typed the letter wordingCR001 wrote:Why have you ignored my question and posted an almost identical post again? I am asking for the exact wording of the refusal.CR001 wrote:What was the exact wording of the refusal of your citizenship application (taking out any personal details).Ram001 wrote:Hi,
Can some please help with my case below...
Citizenship application Refused on the grounds of Good character....
Application made on 06 March 2017, query received on 07 June 2017 and Refusal letter received on 17/06/2017.
Ram001 wrote:Sorry was trying to upload the image but unable to do it, so typed the letter wordingCR001 wrote:Why have you ignored my question and posted an almost identical post again? I am asking for the exact wording of the refusal.CR001 wrote:What was the exact wording of the refusal of your citizenship application (taking out any personal details).Ram001 wrote:Hi,
Hi Ram001,
Speak with your MP. I know the HO will tell you to fill the NR form and pay £272 (all about money) and wait for their decision, now this could take upto 12-24 months.
HO will only reply to your MP letters. I don't understand why the UKVI hired these idiots (lack of experienced) staff. why don't they double check the applications again and again, why don't they contact applicants for interview of any doubts.
Is't this a dumb person, who refused your application, where you had valid LTR![]()
Can some please help with my case below...
Citizenship application Refused on the grounds of Good character....
Application made on 06 March 2017, query received on 07 June 2017 and Refusal letter received on 17/06/2017.
Letter received for Query
I refer to your application for naturalisation as BC. one of requirement for citizenship is that the applicant is of good character. Good character is not defined in the British nationality act 1981 but the applicant is expected to have shown due regard for the laws of this country. where an applicant has not been compliant with UK immigration laws in the ten years’ period prior to the date of an application the application will normally be refused.
This is explained in booklet AN which accompanies the application from for naturalisation and in the home office staff instructions published on our website (go to policy and law>staff guidance, instructions and country information> Nationality instructions > Volume 1 > Chapter 18 > Annex D Paragraph 9.7 (b).
According to our records, you were in UK without leave to remain under the immigration laws between 18/05/09 when you got refused leave to remain expired and 24/02/10 when you were granted further leave to remain. It would therefore appear that you were not compliant with UK immigration laws during this period and may not meet the good character requirement for naturalisation.
In order that we may further consideration to your application, please complete the enclosed questionnaire and return to us with appropriate documentary evidence.
Refusal Letter
Your application has been refused for the following reasons:
I refer to your application for naturalisation as a British citizen. One of the requirements for citizenship is that the applicant is of good character. ‘Good character’ is not defined in the British Nationality Act 1981 but the applicant is expected to have shown due regard for the laws of this country. Where an applicant has not been compliant with UK Immigration laws in the ten year period prior to the date of an application the application will normally be refused. This would include where an applicant has been working in the UK without permission.
This is explained in Booklet AN which accompanies the application form for naturalisation and in the Home Office staff instructions published on GOV.UK
You were in the United Kingdom without valid leave between 18/05/09 (leave expired) and 24/02/10 when you were granted leave to remain. You were not therefore compliant with UK Immigration laws during this period. We wrote to you to ask how you were maintaining yourself in the country during this period and to provide appropriate evidence, e.g. wage slips, benefit letters, evidence of other income.
You have provided documentation which clearly shows that you were working without permission. Your application has therefore been refused.
It is open to you to re-apply for citizenship at any time but an application made before 24/02/20 is unlikely to succeed. Before submitting a further application for citizenship, you should ensure that you meet all the requirements.
@CR001 or any one please helpRam001 wrote:Sorry was trying to upload the image but unable to do it, so typed the letter wordingCR001 wrote:Why have you ignored my question and posted an almost identical post again? I am asking for the exact wording of the refusal.CR001 wrote:What was the exact wording of the refusal of your citizenship application (taking out any personal details).Ram001 wrote:Hi,
Can some please help with my case below...
Citizenship application Refused on the grounds of Good character....
Application made on 06 March 2017, query received on 07 June 2017 and Refusal letter received on 17/06/2017.
Letter received for Query
I refer to your application for naturalisation as BC. one of requirement for citizenship is that the applicant is of good character. Good character is not defined in the British nationality act 1981 but the applicant is expected to have shown due regard for the laws of this country. where an applicant has not been compliant with UK immigration laws in the ten years’ period prior to the date of an application the application will normally be refused.
This is explained in booklet AN which accompanies the application from for naturalisation and in the home office staff instructions published on our website (go to policy and law>staff guidance, instructions and country information> Nationality instructions > Volume 1 > Chapter 18 > Annex D Paragraph 9.7 (b).
According to our records, you were in UK without leave to remain under the immigration laws between 18/05/09 when you got refused leave to remain expired and 24/02/10 when you were granted further leave to remain. It would therefore appear that you were not compliant with UK immigration laws during this period and may not meet the good character requirement for naturalisation.
In order that we may further consideration to your application, please complete the enclosed questionnaire and return to us with appropriate documentary evidence.
Refusal Letter
Your application has been refused for the following reasons:
I refer to your application for naturalisation as a British citizen. One of the requirements for citizenship is that the applicant is of good character. ‘Good character’ is not defined in the British Nationality Act 1981 but the applicant is expected to have shown due regard for the laws of this country. Where an applicant has not been compliant with UK Immigration laws in the ten year period prior to the date of an application the application will normally be refused. This would include where an applicant has been working in the UK without permission.
This is explained in Booklet AN which accompanies the application form for naturalisation and in the Home Office staff instructions published on GOV.UK
You were in the United Kingdom without valid leave between 18/05/09 (leave expired) and 24/02/10 when you were granted leave to remain. You were not therefore compliant with UK Immigration laws during this period. We wrote to you to ask how you were maintaining yourself in the country during this period and to provide appropriate evidence, e.g. wage slips, benefit letters, evidence of other income.
You have provided documentation which clearly shows that you were working without permission. Your application has therefore been refused.
It is open to you to re-apply for citizenship at any time but an application made before 24/02/20 is unlikely to succeed. Before submitting a further application for citizenship, you should ensure that you meet all the requirements.
Did they say reason your application was rejected tho?mrafgsharoon wrote:Hi everyone
I applied for naturalisation on
Application date ....................16-Feb-2016
Acknowledgement email on .24th-Feb-2016
Fee deducted ...................On. 25-Feb-2016
But I have never received Biometrics invitation letter maybe
Maybe lost in the post or something
But unfortunately HO rejected/invalid my application after
16 Months WAIT and luckily my fee of £1005 was refunded and
Next week I am gona apply for it again .