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Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:19 am

Hello,
Thank you very much for your help.
My cousin applied for a student visa, to study English in college. But today she had a refusal letter. Reasons:


"You have claimed 50 points under paragraph 6.1 of Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules, however, a valid confirmation of acceptance for students (CAS) must be submitted to support your application, Homeoffice checks do not show one assigned to you therefore, I am not satisfied that you have a valid CAS.
As such I am not satisfied that you have met the requirements for 50 points to be awarded under Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules.
I, therefore, refuse your application for entry clearance via the Student Route under paragraph ST 6.1 of the Immigration Rules.
Please note you will need to submit a new CAS with any future Study visa application."

Do you have any advice.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:32 am

How long is her English language course?
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:46 am

vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:32 am
How long is her English language course?
11 monts

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am

For an 11-month English Language course, I think she may apply for a Short-term student visa.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:28 am

vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
For an 11-month English Language course, I think she may apply for a Short-term student visa.
I searched the internet and I think they forgot to add CAS number.

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:45 am

A Short-term Student (English language) visa apparently does not require a CAS number.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:23 pm

vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:45 am
A Short-term Student (English language) visa apparently does not require a CAS number.
Then, They have apply again or objection to the result.
Thank you for answering

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:30 pm

I think may choose the Study English in the UK (Short-term study visa) and not the Student visa.

Different rules apply.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:36 pm

vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:30 pm
I think may choose the Study English in the UK (Short-term study visa) and not the Student visa.

Different rules apply.
I asked them, they said that they applied Short term student visa 🤷

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:49 pm

dylecck wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:19 am
"You have claimed 50 points under paragraph 6.1 of Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules, however, a valid confirmation of acceptance for students (CAS) must be submitted to support your application, Homeoffice checks do not show one assigned to you therefore, I am not satisfied that you have a valid CAS.
As such I am not satisfied that you have met the requirements for 50 points to be awarded under Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules.
I, therefore, refuse your application for entry clearance via the Student Route under paragraph ST 6.1 of the Immigration Rules.
Then the caseworker applied the wrong rules.
They should have applied the rules under Appendix Short-term Student (English language).
Not under Appendix Student.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:56 pm

vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:49 pm
dylecck wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:19 am
"You have claimed 50 points under paragraph 6.1 of Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules, however, a valid confirmation of acceptance for students (CAS) must be submitted to support your application, Homeoffice checks do not show one assigned to you therefore, I am not satisfied that you have a valid CAS.
As such I am not satisfied that you have met the requirements for 50 points to be awarded under Appendix Student of the Immigration Rules.
I, therefore, refuse your application for entry clearance via the Student Route under paragraph ST 6.1 of the Immigration Rules.
Then the caseworker applied the wrong rules.
They should have applied the rules under Appendix Short-term Student (English language).
Not under Appendix Student.
Monday we will go to college and ask for CAS number. If they give the number we will apply for objection

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:03 pm

dylecck wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:36 pm
vinny wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:30 pm
I think may choose the Study English in the UK (Short-term study visa) and not the Student visa.

Different rules apply.
I asked them, they said that they applied Short term student visa 🤷
If the refusal was under the wrong rules, then it was a caseworker error.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by AmazonianX » Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:31 pm

Foe short term student visa CAS not required- check this with the college as planned however if your cousin applied as stated and refusal was because of CAS then it is to ask for the erroneous decision to be changed.

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:31 pm
Foe short term student visa CAS not required- check this with the college as planned however if your cousin applied as stated and refusal was because of CAS then it is to ask for the erroneous decision to be changed.
Thank you for answer
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa. Do you think his objection will be accepted because he applied under the wrong title, or what path should he follow? Thank you very much for your help.

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by AmazonianX » Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:13 pm

dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm
AmazonianX wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:31 pm
Foe short term student visa CAS not required- check this with the college as planned however if your cousin applied as stated and refusal was because of CAS then it is to ask for the erroneous decision to be changed.
Thank you for answer
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa. Do you think his objection will be accepted because he applied under the wrong title, or what path should he follow? Thank you very much for your help.
Decision is correct.
Applying for student visa without CAS resulted in the decision your cousin received.
An application for short term visit visa which has no CAS requirements should be alright.

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:55 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:13 pm
dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm
AmazonianX wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:31 pm
Foe short term student visa CAS not required- check this with the college as planned however if your cousin applied as stated and refusal was because of CAS then it is to ask for the erroneous decision to be changed.
Thank you for answer
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa. Do you think his objection will be accepted because he applied under the wrong title, or what path should he follow? Thank you very much for your help.
Decision is correct.
Applying for student visa without CAS resulted in the decision your cousin received.
An application for short term visit visa which has no CAS requirements should be alright.
What do you suggest us? They were actually going to apply for a short-term student visa, but they mistakenly applied for a student visa. Would it be helpful if we wrote an objection letter?
Thank you

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by CR001 » Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:07 pm

You cannot object or go for admin review when the applicant made a mistake.

They will have to submit a new application.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by AmazonianX » Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:56 pm

dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:55 pm
AmazonianX wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:13 pm
dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm
AmazonianX wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:31 pm
Foe short term student visa CAS not required- check this with the college as planned however if your cousin applied as stated and refusal was because of CAS then it is to ask for the erroneous decision to be changed.
Thank you for answer
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa. Do you think his objection will be accepted because he applied under the wrong title, or what path should he follow? Thank you very much for your help.
Decision is correct.
Applying for student visa without CAS resulted in the decision your cousin received.
An application for short term visit visa which has no CAS requirements should be alright.
What do you suggest us? They were actually going to apply for a short-term student visa, but they mistakenly applied for a student visa. Would it be helpful if we wrote an objection letter? No, that will be a waste of time and efforts
Thank you
Suggestion is highlighted above i.e. to make new application using correct form.

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:20 pm

dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa.
Good thing that you had looked and spotted your cousin’s error.
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:57 pm

vinny wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:20 pm
dylecck wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:17 pm
When I looked at my cousin's documents, I saw that he applied for a student visa, not a short-term student visa.
Good thing that you had looked and spotted your cousin’s error.
The college advised us to re-apply for the visitor study visa or I reapply for a short-term study visa What is different between this visa

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by lolo2 » Mon Aug 19, 2024 8:24 pm

The answer to this question is in the link above cited by @vinny Short-term student visa.
A Short-term Student visa allows you to study an English language course in the UK between six and 11 months. If your course lasts up to six months, you may be able to use the Visitor route.
For a 11-months course the applicant needs to apply for a short-term student visa, they cannot use a visitor visa.

The college's international admission office should have explained - without uncertainty - what is the appropriate visa depending on the course requirements, duration, etc.

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URGENT HELP PLEASE about visitor visa for study

Post by dylecck » Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:49 am

Hello. First of all, I would like to thank everyone who supported the installation of this very useful forum. You are doing a very useful job. I am grateful to you. First of all, I apologize in advance for the fact that my questions are a bit too much.


Because my cousin was applying for a student visa instead of applying for a short-term student visa, they had asked him for a CAS number, and he had been denied last week because he didn't have a CAS number.
We met with the college and they suggested that we apply for a visitor visa for an English course for less than 6 months, as the visitor visa would be issued in a short time and the course was close to 6 months. Now we are making the application together and looking at it in detail so that they do not get rejected again. I need your valuable ideas for some of the questions asked during the application.

What is the main reason for your visit to the UK? Short-term study (up to 6 months), including recreational course

For example, in the application, he asks if he is currently working in a job. He is currently working and we have written his workplace information, but the workplace does not give him a letter stating that they have given him permission to take an English course and that he will continue to work again after the course is over and returned. Do you think this is necessary and would it be a problem?

His father lives in the UK on a work visa. We wrote his father's address as a place to stay.
We wrote his father and his father's boss as sponsors, and his boss fully sponsored everything and wrote a sponsor letter.

Do you need to obtain permission from the ATAS?No


"For either the UK or any other country, have you ever been:" if we say "YES" its asking :
Give details of what happened? An application for a visa was refused. Should we say yes or no to this question. He was denied a visa, but he didn't come to the UK, he's still in his own country. i am confused.



And the bank documents are from July. We are considering applying with the same documents. In the first application, the application was made because there was 3500 pounds in the bank and it appeared in the official documents. But since the visa fees were paid from that account, there was not that much money left in the account. Is it okay if we use the bank documents from last month or do we need to get documents from the bank in August.

Thank you so much

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by vinny » Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:57 am

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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by Casa » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:14 pm

As has been stressed in previous advice, your cousin cannot apply for a visitor visa if he intends to study on an 11 month English course in the UK.

He has to apply for a short-term study visa. If he applies for a visitor visa and inevitably the application is refused, he will weaken any future visa applications due to 'submitting frivolous applications'. The Case Worker will doubt his genuine intention to study on an approved course.

It's slightly concerning that the college have given incorrect or misleading advice. Is the college on the Government's approved register of English language study providers :?: :idea:
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Re: Student visa refusal

Post by dylecck » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:22 pm

Casa wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:14 pm
As has been stressed in previous advice, your cousin cannot apply for a visitor visa if he intends to study on an 11 month English course in the UK.

He has to apply for a short-term study visa. If he applies for a visitor visa and inevitably the application is refused, he will weaken any future visa applications due to 'submitting frivolous applications'. The Case Worker will doubt his genuine intention to study on an approved course.

It's slightly concerning that the college have given incorrect or misleading advice. Is the college on the Government's approved register of English language study providers :?: :idea:
Hello, I may have provided incomplete information. The course was 6 months and 1 week, the college sent an option to apply for either a short-term student visa or a visitor visa at the very beginning and sent the application links, my cousin applied for a student visa by mistake. We will write a letter and say that we applied for a student visa by mistake.

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