UK new born child to ILR holder parents

[DJKH]

Hi,

I have just got a new born baby and I am wondering how should I proceed with getting a british passport for the baby. Shall I just apply for a first child British passport and provide the birth certificate and proof that parents hold ILR?

Cheers

[alterhase58]

Correct- child is British based on parent holding ILR at time of child’s birth. Provide birth certificate and your ILR proof. One parent ILR is sufficient.

[DJKH]

Thanks

[DJKH]

Hello,

I have just got my British Citizenship and I am wondering if I can provide my certificate of naturalization as a supporting document for my new born baby passport application or I still need a proof of holding an ILR, please your help would be much appreciated.

Also, can I submit my and my baby's British passport application at the same time? If so, can I post the supporting documents for both applications as one package?

Cheers

[alterhase58]

Hello,

I have just got my British Citizenship and I am wondering if I can provide my certificate of naturalization as a supporting document for my new born baby passport application or I still need a proof of holding an ILR, please your help would be much appreciated.
If baby was born whilst you had ILR status then you need to provide ILR proof, this is important. As the certificate is dated after child's birth date then that cannot be used as support.

Also, can I submit my and my baby's British passport application at the same time? If so, can I post the supporting documents for both applications as one package?
I believe that is possible but check the instructions given by HMPO.

Cheers

[secret.simon]

Also, can I submit my and my baby's British passport application at the same time? If so, can I post the supporting documents for both applications as one package?

The two applications have nothing in common and will almost certainly be processed by different caseworkers.

Your child's passport will be processed on the basis of their British birth certificate and the proof of one parent's ILR at the time of their birth. Your subsequent naturalisation is irrelevant to their British citizenship.

Your application will be based on the proof of your naturalisation certificate and proof of identity (referees' declaration and foreign passports).

Retain proof of your ILR status at the time of your child's birth as that will be the proof required for any descendants of that child to prove that that child was a British citizen otherwise than by descent. Remember that the onus of retaining proof of the ILR status at the time of birth is on you, not on the Home Office.

[DJKH]

Thanks @secret.simon and @alterhase58

I have just checked my immigration status and I can get a shared code as a Settled person - would that be enough for my new born baby passport application?

[secret.simon]

Do you have a BRP dated to before the birth of the child?

[DJKH]

@secret.simon I used to have it but I had to post it after 5 working days from receiving my certificate of naturalization on the 19th of June!

[DJKH]

@secret.simon

Please, is it OK to submit the supporting documents for my and the baby's application in two separate envelopes but both put inside one common envelop to avoid paying postage fee twice?

[secret.simon]

secret.simon I used to have it but I had to post it after 5 working days from receiving my certificate of naturalization on the 19th of June!

You should have retained it. That is the advice on these forums for people whose children's British citizenship is based on their parent's settled status at the time of their birth.

I am not sure what use a share code would be. That merely states your status as of the day it was issued. You need to prove your status on the day of birth of the child. But I'll leave it for others to advise further on this point.

Please, is it OK to submit the supporting documents for my and the baby's application in two separate envelopes but both put inside one common envelop to avoid paying postage fee twice?

I do not have any knowledge of this question. Please wait for others to advise further on this point.

[DJKH]

@secret.simon thanks for your reply.

I tell you what, if the Home Office cannot see what was my UK immigration status on the day of birth of the child, that would be the funniest joke ever!

[Ticktack]

@secret.simon

Please, is it OK to submit the supporting documents for my and the baby's application in two separate envelopes but both put inside one common envelop to avoid paying postage fee twice?

As advised, you most likely would be sent to different processing centres. Advisable to follow the instructions and send to allocated places. Refusal to do so "could" cause delays. As it might create more admin.

I tell you what, if the Home Office cannot see what was my UK immigration status on the day of birth of the child, that would be the funniest joke ever!

The trick is to make their job as easy as possible. You could wait for many many months for them to consolidate their data. They have all the time in the world, you don't.
You should have made a copy of your BRP at the very least.

[secret.simon]

I tell you what, if the Home Office cannot see what was my UK immigration status on the day of birth of the child, that would be the funniest joke ever!

You may not find it funny if your grandchildren (the children of this child) are denied British citizenship.

The Home Office may find your ILR status at the time of the birth of the child now, as it is so recent.

But keep in mind that the Home Office does not maintain immigration (up to and including ILR) records for ever. They are deleted regularly. Google the Windrush scandal about what happened to many people who had moved legally to the UK but had not maintained their records and the Home Office had also deleted their records.

At the time of first British passport applications, typically the applicant needs to prove their British citizenship from first principles. The Home Office or the UK government does not maintain a central database of British citizens.

So, when your grandchildren's first British passport applications are made, they (or more precisely your child, their parent) will need to prove from first principles (not from a renewed passport, which could after all be issued in error) that they (your child, their parent) is a British citizen themselves. And if your grandchildren are born abroad, your child will also need to prove that they are a British citizen otherwise than by descent, something that is not mentioned anywhere in the passport or indeed on any other document.

The onus on proving all this above will not be on the Home Office, but on your child. So, I can assure you that at that time, you will not find it in the least bit funny.

[DJKH]

Hi @secret.simon and @alterhase58,

I am about to send my daughter first British passport and I am suprised that they asked about the following document!

Grandparents’ documents
Send all of the following for both maternal grandparents:
full birth or adoption certificate (showing both the child’s and parents’ details)
grandfather’s marriage certificate to your grandmother (if this applies)
And all of the following for both paternal grandparents:
full birth or adoption certificate (showing both the child’s and parents’ details)
grandfather’s marriage certificate to your grandmother (if this applies)

Please can you help as I do not believe that I have provided these documents during my son's British passport application. Am I not making any mistake?

Cheers

[CR001]

You do NOT need to grandparents documents.

[DJKH]

Thanks @CR001

Even if they are asking for it?

I have just submitted my UK passport application hoping that once I receive the passport I would answer by YES the question related to the father (myself) having a UK passport would make the grandparents required documents disappear! I do not know - please your help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

[CR001]

Your child's claim to citizenship is based on YOUR ILR and NOT your British citizenship achieved AFTER the child was born. You have already been advised of this extremely crucial point.

The passport form is used for ALL claims to citizenship. It doesn't therefore mean you must submit every document asked for.

Read rhe passport guidance notes!!!