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Proposed Civil partnership

Post by Nutkin333 » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:05 pm

Hiya
I'm wondering if anyone can help, with some questions i have about this:

1. Does anyone know of anyone who's been able to get a visa from the USA to come to the UK for this purpose? I've asked round and can't find anyone to help.

2. Any ideas how long it takes to hear from the office in New York about a visa, it says 5 business days, but i hear it can be longer. Also would we get our documents back before they made a decision or perhaps at least some notification that they've received our application?

I have tonnes more questions but if anyone can help with these it would be great
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Post by John » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:28 pm

A number of points from that. Firstly you will no doubt appreciate that Civil Partnerships in the UK started only last December, so of course very few will have been through the procedure before.

Secondly, making the application in the USA permits you to do that online. Having done that you will follow the instructions on screen about where to send the supporting documentation. Proicessing times in the States are quite quick, assuming all the required supporting evidence is submitted. That is, delays tend to be self-inflicted, if evidence is initially lacking in some respect.

What exactly is the application going to be for? That is, has the Civil Partnership already been registered? Or is it intended to register that in the UK? If so the visa to apply for is for a Proposed Civil Partner visa, the equivalent of a fiance(e) visa.

Lots more information on the www.BritainUSA.com website.
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Post by Nutkin333 » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:08 pm

Hiya John
Thanks for replying so soon, i'm about going outta my mind.
Yeah i guess we must be one of the first ... don't like the idea of being a guinea pig , not with all the grief we've had from immigration already , that was a nightmare.
We already have submitted the paperwork, we mailed it to them instead of doing the online thing, they got it last Monday, Flynn signed for it, whoever they are. I understood they were working on 5 days turnround, but as yet we've not even received a confirmation that they have eveything. I think we included everything we should have, and put lots of notes in the paperwork asking them to contact us if they needed more evidence about anything.
We did indeed apply for the proposed civil partner visa, which we had to mark at the top "proposed civil partnership".
I'm so scared that we won't get it, well, my partner won't ... she's my world and this is the only way we can be together. Cos the US won't let me go over there as her partner.
Anyways i'll stop rambling , i think she is going to call them tomorrow to see whats going on.
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Post by John » Mon May 01, 2006 8:26 am

Nutkin333, as long as the supporting evidence is OK then there is no reason to think that the application will get rejected. That is, if the evidence proves that you have passed the financial, accommodation and "evidence of contact" tests then you really should not have a problem.

Presumably you are British or otherwise settled in the UK?

Many thousands of Civil Partnerships have been registered but it is probably the case that only a small proportion include someone with a Proposed Civil Partner visa. However there is no reason to think that British Missions deal with such applications any differently to those for a fiance(e) visa, which of course they have looked at in quantity for many years.
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Post by Nutkin333 » Mon May 01, 2006 9:43 am

Morning John
Yes i'm British.
I'm sure our docs will be ok, she sent:
Forms and fees
Immigration papers from incident in March
Housing pictures, tenancy agreement, rent amount
Intro pack from her inc. CV newpaper cutting for jobs, intro letter, couple of emails, explanation about immigration, divorce paper , passport and birth cert, bank statement showing $1000
Intro pack from me inc, passport, birth cert, flight ticket from when we met last, intro letter, my explanation about immigration, divorce paper.
Finance packet inc, my new job contract, bank statements, job offer for us both as soon as she is able to work. Quick budget sheet
Ceremony letter describing where and hopefully when i.e. asap

I guess i'm just worrying cos i'm on a lowish wage and have only just started work but i get £6.40 an hour 22 hrs a week and then working and child tax credits on top. But i've shown how we can manage on that in the budget sheet and also that it will help as we have a job lined up and that it will benefit the public funds as we won't be claiming anything at all when shes working. Also all the hassle we had at Immigration when they took her from me. Theres also a very old conviction on her and we gave them a brief summary of what happened there. Also she has an adopted son who is staying in the US with her ex partner, will that go against us ?

The wait is sooooo hard, it really does put an awful lot of strain on the relationship. I'm sure there are so many people that feel the same way as me.
Thanks and i know i'm waffling but it's just so nice and helpful to talk to someone about this.

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Post by John » Mon May 01, 2006 11:18 am

Immigration papers from incident in March
What happened? Did she get refused as a visitor to the UK? If that is the case and she is now applying for a settlement-class visa, that incident will not be held against her ... and indeed could even help.
she has an adopted son who is staying in the US with her ex partner, will that go against us ?
No reason why that should have an impact on the decision.

Evidence looks OK ..... but the "evidence of contact"? You mention air tickets .... anything else?

Stop worrying! (But easier said than done!)
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Post by Nutkin333 » Mon May 01, 2006 12:21 pm

Hiya John ,
I really am so grateful to be able to talk with you.

The incident in March was dreadful. To cut it really short. She was coming over for 4 weeks to meet my son and see how she liked UK etc, but on arrival Gatwick said she couldn't come in ... their reasons very odd.
On the paperwork it says, i said we'd not met before and she said we had, so they said we were lying. But in reality, on the phone in the lobby he asked me along with what seemed like 600 other q's .. had i been to her house .... i said no cos we met in a completly different state. I told him this but he didn't want to listen.
The other thing was that she had her resume(cv), birth cert and an exam paper on her. We explained how that came about but they didn't want to listen either. It was very simple... when we met up in the US she was looking for work, hence the cv and exam paper, and she was born in the same state so collected her birth certificate from there also, so she could get the passport to come here. She put the birth cert in her envelope with her work things to keep it nice. There was only a few weeks in between each visit and she didn't think to sort thru the envelope that had all her docs. She wanted to bring her birth cert as prrof of her first name as it is not on her passport or driving licence, only her initials.
Anyways, they gave her 3 days compassionate leave, when i got back i spotted so many mistakes on her immigration papers, wrong flight, name misspelt etc. We contacted the helpline on thier paperwork and were told to ring the MP , which we did. Also sent some letters to immigration telling them the mp was involved and can we have extension while we get the mess cleared up. Also we were told to sit tight (by the helpline) and not go for the flight as we had a good case. They didn't contact us until Sat night (flight was supposed to be sat morning backto US). They screamed, yes screamed at us, accused us of alsorts of things, it was horrible. We asked for time til monday so we could contact the mp again, anyways sunday afternoon the police turned up for her, and off they carted her.
It was awful, we were so confused and upset.
My mp is on the case and has written to Charles Clarke.
Ok sorry that wasn't very short.

As for contact, i enclosed some emails too and my letter of support and her main letter are full of alsorts of details. Very emotional ones. We don't have any pics of us together simply cos the first time i went there my camera was being dodgy and the time she came here we spent all our time trying to figure out what to do and crying.
I'm trying not to worry but i feel so sick in my stomach with all this.
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Post by Nutkin333 » Mon May 01, 2006 10:05 pm

oh my gosh i just had a horrible thought
i saw on a website that you need to use a courier service which checks the documents for you before you post the application.
When i read the thing about mailing the application on the New York embassy page, the courier page wasn't available, but i guessed it just meant Fedex or UPS or something. We used UPS, anyone know anything about this?

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Post by Nutkin333 » Tue May 02, 2006 3:44 pm

We got an email thru saying they have the application ... finally.
Now is the hard bit

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Post by John » Tue May 02, 2006 4:00 pm

Now is the hard bit
No, now is the easy bit!
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Post by Nutkin333 » Wed May 03, 2006 3:30 pm

I really hope so John

I got a call from the US office this afternoon.

They were wanting to know about her criminal conviction, she got 6 months in jail and 2 years probation, any idea if that will go against us? This was from 10 years ago.
She's gotta fax the papers over to them
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Post by John » Wed May 03, 2006 5:02 pm

I think the best I can say is ... hopefully not. Let's put it this way, under the legislation relating to spent convictions in the UK that conviction appears to be spent. So it should not be taken into account in their determination.

Can I ask, how did they find out about that conviction? And also, what was the conviction for? And any other convictions at all since 10 years ago? If yes, details please.
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Post by Nutkin333 » Wed May 03, 2006 5:39 pm

Hiya John
Thats the only conviction, it was a marujhana charge. It was a set up but she pled guilty to avoid a bad sentence, but complied with everything they asked and paid costs early too.
We disclosed it in the application , cos we don't want to hide anything.
We've now faxed everything to them and they are waiting now for a report from immigration as to their version of what happened in march.
I hope they fax it also. Maybe we'll know tomorrow. I hope so, this is driving me crazy.
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Post by John » Wed May 03, 2006 11:08 pm

It sounds to me that the conviction is "spent" so should not affect the outcome. Indeed I think it would have been totally OK to omit that detail from the application form.
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Post by Nutkin333 » Thu May 04, 2006 5:45 pm

Maybe we shoulda done, we just wanted to be upfront with them.
Not heard anything today.....
I called the UK visa number , the Abtran one, what a waste of time....... £12.50 for nothing.
Apparently all that number has is a database saying if the visa has been posted, deferred or refused. What use is that??
Theres no number at all to contact anyone regarding anything. It's all too wierd.
Anyone know how long it takes for an airport immigration to fax something over to the US?
I think thats all we are waiting for, unless they didn't get the fax we sent yesterday.
Anyone know the feeling when you feel like the government "owns" you.?
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Post by Nutkin333 » Wed May 10, 2006 7:12 pm

I just wanted to let you all know ........


WE GOT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now if anyone else needs any help i'd be more than happy to help with my experience, and oh my what an experience.

Sammy

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