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Citizenship ceremony for ex British Subject?

Post by rayd » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:12 pm

I posted here a couple of months ago as a person born in British India of a father also born in British India. My father and grandfather were in the British services. I was classed as a British Subject and not citizen under the 1981 Act, because of my father's birth abroad.

Following the excellent advice given to me on this forum, I applied for and have just received my notification of Britich Citizenship from the Home Office. I used form BOTA.

However, they say in the letter that I have to attend a citizenship ceremony. I thought, from the IND website, that British Subjects were exempt from citizenship ceremonies and the oath of allegiance. Now, of course, I can't find that information on the IND site.

Am I mistaken?

Regards,

Ray D

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Post by jes2jes » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:22 pm

Why have a citizenship ceremony?

The citizenship ceremony is a rite of passage that formally welcomes those who wish to join us into full membership of the British family, and into citizenship of the United Kingdom. In order to complete the process of becoming a British citizen, you will need to attend a citizenship ceremony to receive your Certificate of Naturalisation. The ceremony will include taking an oath or affirmation of allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and a pledge of loyalty to the United Kingdom. You must attend a ceremony within 90 days of the Home Office letter to you confirming that your application has been approved.



Under the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, all applicants aged 18 years or over who are accepted for naturalisation as a British Citizen are required to attend a Citizenship Ceremony. During this ceremony they take the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen and make a Pledge of Loyalty to the United Kingdom.

After doing this, new citizens are presented with their certificate of nationality. Applicants must attend a Citizenship Ceremony within 3 months of receiving the letter from the Home Office confirming their application has been successful.

There is no legal requirement for applicants under the age of 18 to attend a ceremony or take the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance. However, if minors (under 18 years of age) do wish to attend and participate in the ceremony they are very welcome to do so.
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Re: Citizenship ceremony for ex British Subject?

Post by JAJ » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:39 am

rayd wrote:I posted here a couple of months ago as a person born in British India of a father also born in British India. My father and grandfather were in the British services. I was classed as a British Subject and not citizen under the 1981 Act, because of my father's birth abroad.

Following the excellent advice given to me on this forum, I applied for and have just received my notification of Britich Citizenship from the Home Office. I used form BOTA.

However, they say in the letter that I have to attend a citizenship ceremony. I thought, from the IND website, that British Subjects were exempt from citizenship ceremonies and the oath of allegiance. Now, of course, I can't find that information on the IND site.

Am I mistaken?
Prior to 2004, British subjects and other British nationals (except British protected persons), together with citizens of countries with the Queen as Head of State (such as Australia) did not need to take any oath of allegiance to become a British citizen.

All this changed on 1 January 2004. Those applying for British citizenship from that date must take both an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen, and a Pledge of Commitment to the United Kingdom. The existing exemptions from taking the oath were withdrawn.

And the Oath and Pledge are to be taken in a public citizenship ceremony. Previously the oath was sworn in front of a solicitor or equivalent on a special form and returned to the Home Office.

It is somewhat "odd" to expect British subjects who already bear allegiance to Her Majesty to take the Oath again. However, the Pledge is specific to British citizenship. For example, if you were being naturalised in a British Overseas Territory (eg the Falklands or Gibraltar) the Pledge would be to that territory - as you would be acquiring British overseas territories citizenship - not the United Kingdom.

And it's routine for persons like MPs to swear an Oath of Allegiance, even though they are already British. So you shouldn't see it as a problem.

As for the IND, until quite recently they still had the old information in the guides for B(OTA) applications. It seems they have only just changed it.

One of the forum moderators (John) has had some very good things to say about the citizenship ceremony his wife and daughter attended when they became British citizens. So I would suggest that you enjoy what should be a very special event for you.

Most councils are good at organising citizenship ceremonies so you shouldn't have to wait very long. If instructions are not included with your Home Office letter, then contact the council people who deal with ceremonies in your area. Normally you must go to a ceremony within 90 days unless you have a good reason.

Bear in mind that you do not legally become a British citizen until you have been sworn in at your citizenship ceremony. You may be the only Registration applicant there - most people obtain Naturalisation instead - but all still become British citizens.

Congratulations on your decision to become "fully" British. Do let us know how your ceremony goes.

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Post by John » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:21 am

One of the forum moderators (John) has had some very good things to say about the citizenship ceremony his wife and daughter attended when they became British citizens. So I would suggest that you enjoy what should be a very special event for you.
That is indeed so .... we all thoroughly enjoyed the ceremony ... and the pic taken that day by the official photographer is still prominently displayed in our lounge.

So I would say rayd ... don't fight it .. enjoy it!
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Post by rayd » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:16 pm

John wrote:
One of the forum moderators (John) has had some very good things to say about the citizenship ceremony his wife and daughter attended when they became British citizens. So I would suggest that you enjoy what should be a very special event for you.
That is indeed so .... we all thoroughly enjoyed the ceremony ... and the pic taken that day by the official photographer is still prominently displayed in our lounge.

So I would say rayd ... don't fight it .. enjoy it!
Thanks for the replies.

Having lived in the UK for over 50 years and only found out recently I wasn't a citizen because both father and grandfather were in the services, I'm not very happy that I've had to pay £188 to be what I should always have been and now have to undergo a ceremony for :-(

My passport still has 5 years left on it but says British Subject with ROA. Once I get my citizenship bit of paper, do I need to get my passport changed (£66) or can I keep it as it is and wave my new bit of paper at various immigration officials? (particularly at Stansted where they insist that, although my passport says BS and ROA, I have to go through the aliens gate!)

We want to go to Canada for a holiday in the autumn. Will I be treated as a BC for visa purposes, or just a BS as that is what my current passport says? Do I need to carry the certificate around when I go abroad, if I don't renew my passport?

Cheers,

Ray D

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Post by Christophe » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:36 pm

Well, British subjects (with or without the right of abode) require a visa to visit Canada (see http://www.canada.org.uk/visa-info/visitor/e_brit.htm), so that is one reason to get a British citizen passport. Technically you ought to anyway, I would say, since you will no longer be a British subject.

As far as the costs go, I guess you just have to adopt the attitude that £240-odd (for citizenship application and new passport) is not a lot of money in the overall scheme of a lifetime. Otherwise you're just worrying about something that you can't alter anyway.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:06 pm

If you are getting a new passport early, remember that they may possiblyadd 9 months of validity from the old passport to the duration of the new passport. (Check with them)

And that the new passport is for 10 years, so you are really only paying £33 for the next 5 years of simplified travel possibilities and then £33 for the following 5 years.

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Post by JAJ » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:34 pm

rayd wrote: Having lived in the UK for over 50 years and only found out recently I wasn't a citizen because both father and grandfather were in the services, I'm not very happy that I've had to pay £188 to be what I should always have been and now have to undergo a ceremony for :-(
Quite. But the problem goes back to the way that the British Nationality Act did not make such good provision for children born outside the United Kingdom to "Crown Servants". This was changed in later Acts.

As for the ceremony, it's a formality that could have been avoided had you applied for registration any time between 1949 and 2003. But now that you are subject to it, best advice is just to enjoy the event.

My passport still has 5 years left on it but says British Subject with ROA. Once I get my citizenship bit of paper, do I need to get my passport changed (£66) or can I keep it as it is and wave my new bit of paper at various immigration officials?
Definitely not. You will need a British citizen passport.

And once you get your Certificate of Registration as a British citizen, it would not be advisable to travel with this anyway. You should keep it in a safe place.
(particularly at Stansted where they insist that, although my passport says BS and ROA, I have to go through the aliens gate!)
It won't apply to you once you have a British citizen passport, but the way to deal with this kind of behaviour is to insist on speaking to a supervisor and failing that, make a formal complaint to the Home Office.
We want to go to Canada for a holiday in the autumn. Will I be treated as a BC for visa purposes, or just a BS as that is what my current passport says?
You absolutely need a British citizen passport for visa-free entry both to Canada and the United States. A British subject passport with ROA is not acceptable - not even if you also had a full British citizenship certificate.

As for the costs you will save by having a British citizen passport - a multiple entry visa to Canada costs GBP70 and a US visa costs USD100. Plus in the US case, time and hassle to travel to attend a personal interview.

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Post by JAJ » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:36 pm

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:If you are getting a new passport early, remember that they may possiblyadd 9 months of validity from the old passport to the duration of the new passport. (Check with them)
Not necessarily in "rayd's" case because since he is changing status from British subject to British citizen, they will probably treat it as a first time passport application rather than a renewal.

I don't know what happens in other cases where people upgrade to full British citizenship (from British subject, British Overseas citizen etc). However back in 2002 when British overseas territories citizens became full British citizens, those wanting British citizen passports had to fill out "first time" applications. They couldn't swap their BOTC passports.

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