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idane · Post by **idane** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:51 pm

Hi there,

I read through the guides for the HSMP visa and the relevant FLR on and it seems that although I qualify for the HSMP visa if I was abroad, I fall short scoring enough points for the FLR visa in the country.

It doesn't make sense.

I've been here [UK] for just over a month now, and not sure what to do next?
My working holiday visa expires in 8 weeks ...

Any educated idea?

Many thanks!

WoodieG · Post by **WoodieG** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:21 am

What? The points criteria is the same wherever you are in the world.
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idane · Post by **idane** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:52 am

Thanks,

I agree that it be the same ...

However,
e.g. 'Previous earning' category:
If I scored 45pt while in 'grade B' country for the HSMP visa, earning just above 17.5k pounds a year, I have to earn more than 40k pounds to score same number of points for the FLR visa ...

The shortest period considered is 8month/26.5k pounds.

So are you saying that if I clam points for overseas earnings, this will scale?

I cannot see this mentioned in the guide ...

Many thanks!

idane · Post by **idane** » Tue May 29, 2007 6:57 pm

the ANSWER is simple ...

As usual the answer is hiding in the details ...

I rung the Immigration office today and they [she] was very helpful.

What I've missed out is that I dont need to score any points when applying for the FLR (HSMP) visa when 'switching' from a category different than HSMP, e.g. working holiday.
This is only to collect some [more] information and mostly $$$ ...

Thats it.

Thank you and good luck to you all!

Ciao

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Tue May 29, 2007 7:03 pm

Just goes to show you that people should try to call the HO sometimes, you might get some tidbit that makes a difference

WoodieG · Post by **WoodieG** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:56 pm

Or that people should read the instructions...

"Section 7: Points Scoring Assessment (Only complete this section if you are already in the UK as an HSMP participant and are seeking to extend your leave within this category)"
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idane · Post by **idane** » Thu May 31, 2007 5:36 pm

Thanks WoodieG, I was about to post this in here ... for the next generations ...

suresh-hsmp · Post by **suresh-hsmp** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:34 pm

Hi Idane,
Thats intresting! what you are basically saying is just apply FLR and you will get an extension based on your previous immiration status eg: working holiday, student or sponsored work permit???????

Or am I missing any point here? If my assumption is correct every WHM visa holder will get HSMP without any hassale, but it does not make any sense to me. Could you please eloborate further on this or what exactly you spoken to immigration lady?

idane · Post by **idane** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:48 pm

Hi suresh-hsmp,

Not quite,

You need to qualify for HSMP visa. to begin with.
then:
- If you are abroad, you need to apply for an entry permit or whatever.
- If you are in the UK and wish to Switch from your current status, WHM e.g., to HSMP Then you apply for FLR(HSMP) visa.
Since this is the first time your HSMP visa is being utilized you wont need to re-score points.

Capish?

real13_apr · Post by **real13_apr** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:49 pm

Hi Idane,

If you are in the UK and wish to Switch from your current status, WHM e.g., to HSMP Then you apply for FLR(HSMP) visa.
Since this is the first time your HSMP visa is being utilized you wont need to re-score points.

I am not clear about the switch over to HSMP visa from WHM.

correct me if I am wrong.

1. no points are required for converting WHM visa to HSMP visa or what?

2. what is FLR (HSMP) visa.

it would be great if you could provide me some more information on this.

Regards,
RA.

idane · Post by **idane** » Thu May 31, 2007 11:02 pm

Once again --

No -- you have to Qualify for HSMP first! and apply and get an approval letter. regardless to what sort of visa you are holding and where on earth you are.

THEN and ONLY THEN you go ahead and see what you need to do next.
this is depends on if you are in the UK or out side.
if you are in the UK, go ahead and fill in the FLR(HSMP) visa:
all the information is in:
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... forms.html

Having WH visa guarantee you nothing.
For me, it means that im already in the UK legally, and wishes to change my status. This is the only link the HSMP visa ...

Sorry, thanks,

Edelweiss · Post by **Edelweiss** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:34 pm

However,
e.g. 'Previous earning' category:
If I scored 45pt while in 'grade B' country for the HSMP visa, earning just above 17.5k pounds a year, I have to earn more than 40k pounds to score same number of points for the FLR visa ...

This is one of the most unfair parts of the new FLR rules. If you are earning at a particular level (converted to Â£s) in your home country, you are then expected to come over to the UK and earn a MASSIVE amount more in order to get a FLR.

ball1333 · Post by **ball1333** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:10 pm

Edelweiss wrote:This is one of the most unfair parts of the new FLR rules. If you are earning at a particular level (converted to Â£s) in your home country, you are then expected to come over to the UK and earn a MASSIVE amount more in order to get a FLR.

Isn't that the difference between being in a Band A country and being in a Band D country?

As one who is going from one Band A country (USA) to another (UK) I will be fine if I maintain my current level of income. Or are you talking about something different?

Edelweiss · Post by **Edelweiss** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:57 pm

What I am talking about is the fact that a Band D salary does not automatically translate into a Band A salary when you get to the UK. So if you were earning the equivalent of say Â£24,000 in your home country, and that is enough to qualify for the initial HSMP visa, then you are not necessarily going to earn the Â£35,000 required to get your extension. Certainly in my area the salaries at my level are simply not that high, and particularly not if you live outside London. Many times it is necessary to take a step backwards and take a position that is a little lower than you had before in order to get your foot in the door and gain some UK experience. So you may earn around the same level you were on, or perhaps a little higher, but by the time you have to get your FLR you will not have progressed to the required level and you will not get your extension. The gap between the salary levels required for the initial HSMP and the FLR are simply too big.

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:12 pm

Yes that's quite a hurdle to jump. Not very fair which is why anyone who entered on the previous scheme should be grandfathered from this new criteria method.

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:46 pm

Edelweiss wrote:
This is one of the most unfair parts of the new FLR rules. If you are earning at a particular level (converted to Â£s) in your home country, you are then expected to come over to the UK and earn a MASSIVE amount more in order to get a FLR.

Surely that makes sense, though? A salary of Â£8,000 would be a good one in many countries, but not in the UK.

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