Registering child birth with just one parent's pps nbr

[TEMIDIRE]

I am writing on behalf of my friend who lives in the republic of Ireland and recently had a baby born with his non eu girlfriend who has no residency in the state and has no pps, they both went to the registration office to register the child but were told they need both parents pps nbr I need an advise if it's possible to get the birth certificate with just one parent's pps nbr or if they both decide to go back to the hospital to insist they don't mind paying for her treatment while having the baby and been treated as private patients, can they get the birth certificate then since fees was paid, plsany advise will be appreciated

[mahersab]

check your Pm

[Brigid from Ireland]

Payment of fees for the birth is not linked to the birth certificate, so paying would make no difference. She is entitled to free maternity care, there is no point in paying for it.

There is a requirement that the birth be registered within three months of the birth, so you should make sure to communicate with the General Register Office in writing, by e-mail, so that you have proof you tried to register the baby.

If the mother has no pps number, she should ask for a letter from the register office, saying that she needs a pps number to register the birth. She should then take the letter to the social welfare office, as they are the ones who issue the pps number.

Is the father an EU citizen? If so, does his child get citizenship of the EU from him? If the answer to this is yes, then the non-EU mother of the EU citizen child cannot be deported, as she has the right to live in the EU with her EU citizen child.

If the father is a non-EU citizen, has he been legally working in Ireland for a long enough period that the child gets Irish citizenship? If yes, the child is an Irish citizen, and the non-EU mother/father cannot be deported.

If the father is working and legal in Ireland, he should make application for the payment of child benefit and any other relevant payments such as Family Income Supplement to be paid to him, in the event that the mother is not entitled to claim these. Both parents could apply for child benefit, but I think from the details given the father is more likely to get it.

If any attempt is made to deport either the mother or the child, either or both may apply for refugee status, so long as they are not already entitled to Irish citizenship. This tends to be a long process.

It is also possible for the father to take the child to the registration office, if the mother has abandoned the child to his care. In this situation, the father would register the birth himself. It would be very unusual for this to happen, but the registrar would have to deal with the father only in such a case.

[Brigid from Ireland]

It is possible to register the birth with the pps number of the mother only, but that does not help in your case, as it is the mother who is without a pps number.

The father's details are not required, so his pps number is not necessary to register a child.

The child could be registered with the father's pps number (without the mother's pps number) only if she abandoned the child to his care. He would probably then need a DNA test to show that the child is his child. He would also need to show that he could support the child financially, otherwise the social workers might take the child into care. This would be a very awkward route, and best avoided if at all possible.

[mahersab]

just tell them go back again to birth reg office and fill the form and if they will ask about pps number just tell them she dont have pps number , and they simple will tell her she cant get child benefits if she dont have pps number ,and they will issue birth certificate for baby. ( friend of mine was same situation but they get

[TEMIDIRE]

Please which registry office do you know that can accept just the father's pps to register the baby,they don't even want to claim child benefit.they just need the birth certificate

[mahersab]

Civil Registration Service, Joyce House, 8/11 Lombard Street East, Dublin 2.

Opening Hours: 09.30-16:30 Mon- Fri (through lunch) Phone: 01 8638200

[TEMIDIRE]

So please when they get to the registry in Dublin,what should they say,vos they don't want to complicate things as they need the birth cert

[mahersab]

Its dose not mater she have visa or not , but she still have to show them photo ID like Passport for identity and father ID as well

[TEMIDIRE]

She has passport,father has passport and glib,do when they fill the form,the should just fill the father,s pps and if they asked for the mother,apps they should say the mother has no pps,is this right pls,or is there anything else they can say.

[mahersab]

Simple tell them we come for child birth rigester , then they will aske to mother surname and did u married each other if not then they will aske to chid mother did u agree to put father name in birth certifcate , have to say yas if she want to put , and then they will give to mother one form for fill up and signature and father need to signature they will aske to mother u ever married before , then have to say no , if she not married , otherwise she need declaration sign form with signature and solicitor stamp from Ex husband what is proof Ex hussband is not the father of child , i think its help ur friend , and if she cant speek english batter take one friend with u for translate ,for them its not important to take offical translater ,because father cant answer for this question

[mahersab]

Yes father have to write pps number in form , and for mother dont write any thing if she dont have , if they aske simple say she dont have pps ,its nothing to worry about pps number , but she cant get child money with out pps number , but she will get all child money from child birth once she have pps number , they need father and mother passport for take photocopy thats all

[TEMIDIRE]

Thanks for your response,I will ask them to try that.when did your friend register their child at the registry in Dublin, is it recently.pls tell when so we can know whether the law has changed.

[mahersab]

3 months before , its not long

[Ckwng]

Sorry for bumping and old thread any updates on this? As I'm in the exact same situation in this. Thanks

[CR001]

Sorry for bumping and old thread any updates on this? As I'm in the exact same situation in this. Thanks

Kindly refrain from digging up threads that are so old, more than 4 years old in this case. It clutters the current topics and the original poster has not visited the forum since 3 Nov 2012.

Suggest start your own topic with your own situation and questions.