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FLR(M) or SET(O) Application

Post by jackals13 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:45 pm

Hello,

Three part question regarding my wife's settlement. I'm applying this month for SET(O) (Tier 1 - General, 5-year economic.) I have read the guidance here: http://immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=114832
I have also read the original policy guidance that links to, 319E.

My read is that she can apply for Settlement with me. We had a solicitor claim that she cannot, but it was informal advice without him actually reviewing the case - it was over the phone having never met us.

First my questions, then my policy analysis.

My questions are:
  • Can she apply for SET(O) or are we better doing FLR(M) (as the extension is expensive!)
  • If we apply in person on SET(O) in a PEO, and they interpret policy differently, does she need to then submit a FLR(M) or can they downgrade her to a FLR(M) there?
  • If she applies for FLR(M) in person on the same day as me, how does she indicate my application? What about if she does it by post?
Her original visa status was as a student, then Tier 1 Post-Study Work, now she is my dependent. She became my tier 1 dependent in March 2012, before the July 2012 changes. She will have been in the country for 5 years this month.

My read is that, as per immigration policy part 8, 319E(d), she can apply for ILR. Specifically:
  • She gained partner status before July 2012.
  • She will have been on the partner visa for less than 2 years at time of application.
  • She has been in the UK for 5 years.
  • She has previously proven and can still prove that we have been in a marriage or relationship similiar to marriage for over two years.
My partner and I otherwise meet all the requirements of 319E.

My understanding of 319E is that, as long as she attained Partner of the Relevant PBS Migrant (me) prior to July 2012, she must have been in a relationship with me for two years but she does not have to have been on the Partner visa for the entire two years, as long as it is the most recent visa she has held.

As such, the 'period' referred to in 319E(d) only refers to the duration of relationship, not the duration the Partner status has been held.

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Post by jackals13 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:17 am

Right - having sat down and discussed with my wife today, in absence of strong evidence of successful in-person appointments in our position we suspect I'll be doing in-person PEO and she will be doing a postal FLR(M).

There aren't many appointments left in this time frame.

Therefore, the most critical question of the above, if anyone has any insight, is:

- Should I receive approval but not my biometric card by the point where she has to mail in her application, how does she link it to mine?
- If I get sent for further inquiries, how does she link it to mine?

Help appreciated - to either post.

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Post by vinny » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:32 am

I think that including your wife in your SET(O) should be possible.
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Post by jackals13 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:37 am

Hmm many thanks.

Confusing though - if the only concern is that she has been continuously a PBS dependent since she acquired it, and continuously with me (yes to both) but that part of the 2 years can precede the PBS dependency, I'm all good.

If instead all 2 years need to be 'dependent' I am not. As you stated in that thread, they added 'continuous' and the success story was from before that addition.

Still a good read - believe me I've been scouring this forum.

Emailed the UKBA a bit ago too - no response.

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Post by jackals13 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:40 am

Oh, more links have appeared from you! Will read them too.

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Post by vinny » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:41 am

I think that 'continuous' in that context refers to subsequent leave as a PBS dependant.
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Post by jackals13 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:43 am

That's my read too, and my boss for the last three years spent most of his life as an English teacher. I get away with very little in any document I write...

I think that the confusing bit is that the case workers and solicitors are still, well, confused.

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Post by vinny » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:54 am

We need Mr Spock's expertise in logic!
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Post by jackals13 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:42 am

Read all that, and many more linked. It's convinced me that despite confused solicitors and case workers, we do have a case.

Just eyeballing her passport - she obviously had to leave the UK for a short period of time to apply for PBS dependant. Looks like her Tier 1 PSW ended on 2nd Mar 2012 and her Tier 1 Dependant started on 13 Mar 2012. I am assuming that the gap doesn't matter. This is both as the many links indicate continuity does not matter in this case, and more importantly, that all our paperwork (leases, etc) indicates continuous stay for the last 5 or so years - no gap for those 11 days in our bills.

Incidentally, for others if this comes up, the below links I found useful. Many supplied by Vinny (many thanks!) but others I linked from those threads:

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... c&start=20
www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=757986#757986
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=100
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 700#770700
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... c&start=20
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=103597
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... sc&start=0
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=61437

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Post by Amber » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:46 am

vinny wrote:We need Mr Spock's expertise in logic!
I like that Vinny :lol:
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