U.K. Naturalisation

[Liza_Aleks]

Hello, I few months ago I was working as an escort (which included sexual services). When I was meeting a client in the hotel the receptionist thought that I am less than 18 years old so he called the police. Then the police arrived they checked all my details including name, surname and home adress.They said that I haven't convicted anything criminal and I can go. I am currently finished my university and was thinking about applying to the U.K. Citizenship, so I would like to know if this situation can influence on their decision?

[noajthan]

Hello, I few months ago I was working as an escort (which included sexual services). When I was meeting a client in the hotel the receptionist thought that I am less than 18 years old so he called the police. Then the police arrived they checked all my details including name, surname and home adress.They said that I haven't convicted anything criminal and I can go. I am currently finished my university and was thinking about applying to the U.K. Citizenship, so I would like to know if this situation can influence on their decision?

Maybe.

Start here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _D_v02.pdf

Are you settled in UK (PR/ILR)?

[Liza_Aleks]

Yes, I am. I hold EU passport. I know that I haven't broke the law, but it can show me as a not "good character"

[noajthan]

Yes, I am. I hold EU passport. I know that I haven't broke the law, but it can show me as a not "good character"

Settled for a Union citizen means with PR status (not just living in UK).
Have you exercised treaty rights in UK continuously for 5 years? (or been sponsored by a qualified person)?

[Liza_Aleks]

Yes, I am. I hold EU passport. I know that I haven't broke the law, but it can show me as a not "good character"

Settled for a Union citizen means with PR status (not just living in UK).
Have you exercised treaty rights in UK continuously for 5 years? (or been sponsored by a qualified person)?

No, I am not, I am just living here for 4 years and finishing my university degree at the moment

[noajthan]

No, I am not, I am just living here for 4 years and finishing my university degree at the moment

So that your carefree student years count towards acquiring PR you need to have CSI in place.
And 5 years of exercising treaty rights as a qualified person (in the EU context not in an educational context) is required before you acquire PR.
Then you can apply for DCPR to confirm it.

You can get a steer on qualified persons here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf

After 1 year of PR status you could shoot for the privilege of sponsorship.
That is unless you have a British spouse, then no need to wait the year if you have met/can meet all other requirements for naturalisation.
Have you checked them?

[Liza_Aleks]

No, I am not, I am just living here for 4 years and finishing my university degree at the moment

So that your carefree student years count towards acquiring PR you need to have CSI in place.
And 5 years of exercising treaty rights as a qualified person (in the EU context not in an educational context) is required before you acquire PR.
Then you can apply for DCPR to confirm it.

You can get a steer on qualified persons here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf

After 1 year of PR status you could shoot for the privilege of sponsorship.
That is unless you have a British spouse, then no need to wait the year if you have met/can meet all other requirements for naturalisation.
Have you checked them?

Yes, I've check the requirements, I meet all of them. I have a husband with British citizenship. I am just worrying thy they can refuse to give me UK citizenship because of the situation I've described above. Maybe it's worth to mention that I've applied to the certificate from Nayional Police Records and it states that they have no information about me.

[noajthan]

Yes, I've check the requirements, I meet all of them. I have a husband with British citizenship. I am just worrying thy they can refuse to give me UK citizenship because of the situation I've described above. Maybe it's worth to mention that I've applied to the certificate from Nayional Police Records and it states that they have no information about me.

You won't have met the requirement to subit DCPR yet.
Make sure you had CSI so you don't fall at first hurdle: DCPR.

Otherwise it appears you only have the catch-all AN Q 3.13 to contend with.
As well as the Declaration you have to sign to conclude the AN application and to vouch for the veracity and completeness of information you have submitted; including avoiding the suppression of material facts.

[Liza_Aleks]

Yes, I've check the requirements, I meet all of them. I have a husband with British citizenship. I am just worrying thy they can refuse to give me UK citizenship because of the situation I've described above. Maybe it's worth to mention that I've applied to the certificate from Nayional Police Records and it states that they have no information about me.

You won't have met the requirement to subit DCPR yet.
Make sure you had CSI so you don't fall at first hurdle: DCPR.

Otherwise it appears you only have the catch-all AN Q 3.13 to contend with.
As well as the Declaration you have to sign to conclude the AN application and to vouch for the veracity and completeness of information you have submitted; including avoiding the suppression of material facts.

Okay, thank you for the information provided. But can you please give me advice on is it worth to apply or I will meet the refuse?

[noajthan]

Okay, thank you for the information provided. But can you please give me advice on is it worth to apply or I will meet the refuse?

Well with all the wild talk of Brexit you are probably only going to get one shot at this.
So make it count. Give it your best shot if you will.

As you are on EU migration trajectory, and have a year or so to go before you can possibly acquire PR, you need to make sure of that first.
That should help secure your position in UK.

Then by sometime near end of 2017/early 2018 you may be able to apply for citizenship.
UK should still be in EU at that time (if Article 50 is not triggered until 2017 we won't leave EU until 2019 at earliest).

That should give you time to have a few practice runs with the AN application and see how it all shapes up.

Ofcourse if you don't have CSI at the moment (or alternative) then your studies will count for nothing (in migration terms) as your PR clock won't be running.
Alternately, if hoping to utilise another category of qualified person, for example, if claiming to be a worker then , as per EU law, you would have to show work was genuine and effective (rather than marginal and supplementary to another activity eg studying).

[Liza_Aleks]

Okay, thank you for the information provided. But can you please give me advice on is it worth to apply or I will meet the refuse?

Well with all the wild talk of Brexit you are probably only going to get one shot at this.
So make it count. Give it your best shot if you will.

As you are on EU migration trajectory, and have a year or so to go before you can possibly acquire PR, you need to make sure of that first.
That should help secure your position in UK.

Then by sometime near end of 2017/early 2018 you may be able to apply for citizenship.
UK should still be in EU at that time (if Article 50 is not triggered until 2017 we won't leave EU until 2019 at earliest).

That should give you time to have a few practice runs with the AN application and see how it all shapes up.

Ofcourse if you don't have CSI at the moment (or alternative) then your studies will count for nothing (in migration terms) as your PR clock won't be running.
Alternately, if hoping to utilise another category of qualified person, for example, if claiming to be a worker then , as per EU law, you would have to show work was genuine and effective (rather than marginal and supplementary to another activity eg studying).

Thank you a lot for clarifieng. Don't you think that my work as an escort will make me not acceptable for PR and Uk citizen?

[noajthan]

Thank you a lot for clarifieng. Don't you think that my work as an escort will make me not acceptable for PR and Uk citizen?

There is no good character test for confirmation of PR. Someone would have to be a threat to national security to be refused confirmation of PR for their actions.

Don't take DCPR for granted though, you still need good documentary supporting evidence to make your case.
That at least gives you settled status in UK.
Then you are in the hands of the great and good figuring out what Brexit means in practice for millions of Union citizens who are currently being left in the dark.

As for citizenship, undeclared and cash-in-hand or black economy type of work is not a 'good thing'.
The outcome of an application would depend on how that economic activity sits in your moral compass and how it is portrayed in your application; it is not actually illegal (as per my understanding).

[Liza_Aleks]

Thank you a lot for clarifieng. Don't you think that my work as an escort will make me not acceptable for PR and Uk citizen?

There is no good character test for confirmation of PR. Someone would have to be a threat to national security to be refused confirmation of PR for their actions.

Don't take DCPR for granted though, you still need good documentary supporting evidence to make your case.
That at least gives you settled status in UK.
Then you are in the hands of the great and good figuring out what Brexit means in practice for millions of Union citizens who are currently being left in the dark.

As for citizenship, undeclared and cash-in-hand or black economy type of work is not a 'good thing'.
The outcome of an application would depend on how that economic activity sits in your moral compass and how it is portrayed in your application; it is not actually illegal (as per my understanding).

Thank you a lot, I think getting PR would be enough for me, I didn't know that there was no good character test for it. I was working only couple of months so I didn't get a lot of money (and this type of work was definitely legal). Now I have the part type job and I am paying taxes so it should not be a problem. I hope.

[noajthan]

Thank you a lot, I think getting PR would be enough for me, I didn't know that there was no good character test for it. I was working only couple of months so I didn't get a lot of money (and this type of work was definitely legal). Now I have the part type job and I am paying taxes so it should not be a problem. I hope.

Sounds like a plan.

All Union citizens would probably be well-advised to get EU-docs in order - at least a RC / EEA(QP) if EEA(PR) / DCPR is not possible.

The reason is any transitional arrangements for Union citizens, come the day of final exit, will probably depend on someone holding such a document as evidence of their status in UK on a certain key date;
all yet TBC ofcourse, but surely worth a punt for £65 if it secures your future.

As for ambitions of citizenship, if you had been on a Tier 4 visa you might have fallen foul of the limits on students working.
Such breaches of T4 are taken very seriously.

However, as the linked docs (above) show, even lack of tax paid from work does not necessarily violate EU law, even if UK domestic laws may kick in.
On the question of character, there is an element of subjectivity and decisions are taken on a balance of probabilities;
- so its not always an open and shut case.

For a related case, this is the best I could come up with after a quick trawl through the archives - it may be of interest:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 62026.html

[Liza_Aleks]

Sounds like a plan.

All Union citizens would probably be well-advised to get EU-docs in order - at least a RC / EEA(QP) if EEA(PR) / DCPR is not possible.

The reason is any transitional arrangements for Union citizens, come the day of final exit, will probably depend on someone holding such a document as evidence of their status in UK on a certain key date;
all yet TBC ofcourse, but surely worth a punt for £65 if it secures your future.

As for ambitions of citizenship, if you had been on a Tier 4 visa you might have fallen foul of the limits on students working.
Such breaches of T4 are taken very seriously.

However, as the linked docs (above) show, even lack of tax paid from work does not necessarily violate EU law, even if UK domestic laws may kick in.
On the question of character, there is an element of subjectivity and decisions are taken on a balance of probabilities;
- so its not always an open and shut case.

For a related case, this is the best I could come up with after a quick trawl through the archives - it may be of interest:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 62026.html

Yes, you are right it is definitely with to pay 65£ for securing future. Thank you a lot for spending time on my questions, I really appreciate this. Have a good evening!

[Noetic]

All Union citizens would probably be well-advised to get EU-docs in order - at least a RC / EEA(QP) if EEA(PR) / DCPR is not possible

I just wish more people followed that advice. One Swiss relative did but several German friends seem to think £65 is too much for something they perceive as not mandatory. Never mind they'd be paying thousands on the UK route.

Anyway to OP - have you definitely got CSI in place then?

[Liza_Aleks]

All Union citizens would probably be well-advised to get EU-docs in order - at least a RC / EEA(QP) if EEA(PR) / DCPR is not possible

I just wish more people followed that advice. One Swiss relative did but several German friends seem to think £65 is too much for something they perceive as not mandatory. Never mind they'd be paying thousands on the UK route.

Anyway to OP - have you definitely got CSI in place then?

Can you please explain what does CSI mean?

[CR001]

All Union citizens would probably be well-advised to get EU-docs in order - at least a RC / EEA(QP) if EEA(PR) / DCPR is not possible

I just wish more people followed that advice. One Swiss relative did but several German friends seem to think £65 is too much for something they perceive as not mandatory. Never mind they'd be paying thousands on the UK route.

Anyway to OP - have you definitely got CSI in place then?

Can you please explain what does CSI mean?

CSI = Comprehensive Sickness Insurance or a foreign (non UK) EHIC card. Your years as a student will not count towards PR if you do not have CSI.

[Liza_Aleks]

No, I don't have it.. I thought that when you are studying (if you are from EU) it means that you are "
qualified person" so you can apply for PR. Are you sure that it doesn't count?

[noajthan]

Yes, CSI is vital for an EU student to acquire PR status and to obtain a DCPR.

You can get into the mind of the caseworker assessing and weighing up your application for 'confirmation of PR' here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf
- CSI section

And to get more of a steer on what she will be looking for for CSI, see here:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... issued.pdf

Note HO plays hard ball and doesn't take prisoners:

Where there is no evidence of CSI for the EEA national or their family member(s), the application will be refused in line with regulation 4

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... udents.pdf

If you don't have CSI you need an alternative:

• foreign EHIC;
  RC issued as to you a student in UK during/before 2011;
  cover from a spouse's policy;
  cover from foreign policy (eg parental policy) that applies to you in UK;
  Union citizen parent and qualified person (in UK) who can sponsor you;

[Liza_Aleks]

So what can I do now to get CSI or similar type document? Which application should I apply for?

[noajthan]

So what can I do now to get CSI or similar type document? Which application should I apply for?

You can get CSI from the major insurance providers; members mention using WPA, Aviva and similar.

But your PR clock will be starting from zero; have you checked all the alternatives (listed previously) so you can still use student years if at all possible?

[Liza_Aleks]

So what can I do now to get CSI or similar type document? Which application should I apply for?

You can get CSI from the major insurance providers; members mention using WPA, Aviva and similar.

But your PR clock will be starting from zero; have you checked all the alternatives (listed previously) so you can still use student years if at all possible?

I've checked and it seems like I don't have anything, so it's more likely that my students years didn't count..

[Liza_Aleks]

Sorry for wrong information, I've just checked my documents. I do have a European Health Insurance Card

[alterhase58]

Sorry for wrong information, I've just checked my documents. I do have a European Health Insurance Card

As I understand it from glancing through the documents linked to in earlier posts:

- EHIC card is for temporary stays in EU countries only, for example I'll take mine next week to Germany on a short business trip. It will not cover you on a permanent basis.

- for long term stay of EU Students & EU Self-Sufficient people, the CSI is required, i.e. you need to buy a policy from an insurance company as mentioned before.