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Hi there,secret.simon wrote:
d) It also states that one factor regarding testing genuineness of applicability of the Regulation is whether the direct family member's first residence with the SS sponsor in the EU has been in the EEA state that the SS sponsor is exercising treaty rights in.
e) Unusually, it seems to me that Paragraph 2 of the transitory provisions states that SS applications made before 25th November (when the new provisions come into effect), but not decided by that date, will be assessed according to the new provisions. I can imagine that that is going to run into deep legal waters. I am fairly certain that this will be the first provision to be questioned and thrown out by the courts.
thanks2. Between the coming into force of the provisions covered by regulation 1(2)(a) and the coming into force of the remaining provisions covered by regulation 1(2)(b) an application under the 2006 Regulations for—
(a)an EEA family permit;
(b)a registration certificate;
(c)a residence card;
(d)a document certifying permanent residence;
(e)a permanent residence card; or
(f)a derivative residence card;
made but not determined before 25th November 2016 is to be treated as having been made under the 2006 Regulations, as amended by paragraph 1 of this Schedule.
But note the sting in the tailanvish wrote:thanks... made but not determined before 25th November 2016 is to be treated as having been made under the 2006 Regulations, as amended by paragraph 1 of this Schedule.
Puzzling.secret.simon wrote:These new regulations do seem to be aimed squarely at the Surinder Singh route. Indeed, at a quick glance through, the only major change seems to have been Regulation 9, the one that applies to the SS Route. As a comparision, here is the current Regulation 9.
Here are some of the most significant changes that I could spot at a glance. I am sure Obie and vinny will go into further depth.
...
Also see this blog post on the Freedom of Movement blog.
Not as per my plain English reading. Let me translate that quote a little bit, the way I understand it.anvish wrote:I think the TRANSITORY PROVISIONS changes only affect made on or after25th November 2016?2. Between the coming into force of the provisions covered by regulation 1(2)(a) and the coming into force of the remaining provisions covered by regulation 1(2)(b) an application under the 2006 Regulations for—
(a)an EEA family permit;
(b)a registration certificate;
(c)a residence card;
(d)a document certifying permanent residence;
(e)a permanent residence card; or
(f)a derivative residence card;
made but not determined before 25th November 2016 is to be treated as having been made under the 2006 Regulations, as amended by paragraph 1 of this Schedule.
So, any SS application made before 25th November, but not decided by that date, would be decided by paragraph 1. If you read it up, paragraph 1 is identical to the new Regulation 9.2. Between [25th November 2016 and 1st February 2017] an application under the 2006 Regulations for [a document under the EEA Regulations]
made but not determined before 25th November 2016 is to be treated as having been made under the 2006 Regulations, as amended by paragraph 1 of this Schedule.
Actually it is the other way around. It actually implements Eind directly and explicitly into the Regulations.noajthan wrote:The new Regulation 9(7) seems to ignore Eind if it means and expects BC sponsor to be continuing to exercise treaty rights on return to UK.
The conditions for EEA Citizens to be a qualified person are listed in Regulation 6, from Paragraph 5 onwards.(7) For the purposes of determining whether, when treating the BC as an EEA national under these Regulations in accordance with paragraph (1), BC would be a qualified person—
(a) any requirement to have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the United Kingdom still applies, save that it does not require the cover to extend to BC;
(b) in assessing whether BC can continue to be treated as a worker under regulation 6(2)(b) or (c), BC is not required to satisfy condition A;
(c) in assessing whether BC can be treated as a jobseeker as defined in regulation 6(1), BC is not required to satisfy conditions A and, where it would otherwise be relevant, condition C.
But Simon, as per Eind, my understanding is there is no need for a BC to exercise treaty rights at all (on their eventual return to Blighty) so no concessions should be required.secret.simon wrote:Actually it is the other way around. It actually implements Eind directly and explicitly into the Regulations.noajthan wrote:The new Regulation 9(7) seems to ignore Eind if it means and expects BC sponsor to be continuing to exercise treaty rights on return to UK.
The conditions for EEA Citizens to be a qualified person are listed in Regulation 6, from Paragraph 5 onwards.(7) For the purposes of determining whether, when treating the BC as an EEA national under these Regulations in accordance with paragraph (1), BC would be a qualified person—
(a) any requirement to have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the United Kingdom still applies, save that it does not require the cover to extend to BC;
(b) in assessing whether BC can continue to be treated as a worker under regulation 6(2)(b) or (c), BC is not required to satisfy condition A;
(c) in assessing whether BC can be treated as a jobseeker as defined in regulation 6(1), BC is not required to satisfy conditions A and, where it would otherwise be relevant, condition C.
What do people think will meet these "factors" they appear very vague to me such as - (e) whether F’s first lawful residence in the EU with BC was in the EEA State.(a) whether the centre of BC’s life transferred to the EEA State;
(b) the length of F and BC’s joint residence in the EEA State;
(c) the nature and quality of the F and BC’s accommodation in the EEA State, and whether it
is or was BC’s principal residence;
(d) the degree of F and BC’s integration in the EEA State;
(e) whether F’s first lawful residence in the EU with BC was in the EEA State.
Yes, legally, at least on the basis of what you've said. In practice, it will depend on the case officer who processes your application. Have your paperwork checked before you apply.anvish wrote:
(b)the length of F and BC’s joint residence in the EEA State;
(e)whether F’s first lawful residence in the EU with BC was in the EEA State.
what is this mean?
Me( British Citizen) and my wife resided in Ireland for 1 year and I worked there for 9 months
and her ( family member - my wife) first EU residence was in Ireland (EEA State)
Is it long enough for RC ?
Thanks
manicminer wrote:Yes, legally, at least on the basis of what you've said. In practice, it will depend on the case officer who processes your application. Have your paperwork checked before you apply.anvish wrote:
(b)the length of F and BC’s joint residence in the EEA State;
(e)whether F’s first lawful residence in the EU with BC was in the EEA State.
what is this mean?
Me( British Citizen) and my wife resided in Ireland for 1 year and I worked there for 9 months
and her ( family member - my wife) first EU residence was in Ireland (EEA State)
Is it long enough for RC ?
Thanks
Isn't this the same as they did when they ended the '14 year illegal for ILR'? It ended for all applications not granted before that date?secret.simon wrote: e) Unusually, it seems to me that Paragraph 2 of the transitory provisions states that SS applications made before 25th November (when the new provisions come into effect), but not decided by that date, will be assessed according to the new provisions. I can imagine that that is going to run into deep legal waters. I am fairly certain that this will be the first provision to be questioned and thrown out by the courts.
Obie wrote:The Home Office has decided to bring new laws from 25-11-2016.
Some of this laws like the Surinder Singh changes are designed to deliberately breach EU law.
It appears that the Court will be very busy.
The most immediate of the changes, is making it clear that Extended Family members have no appeal rights, that is from the 25-11-2016.
Surinder Singh changes also coming into place on the 25-11-2016.
New definition of marriage of convenience provision, which also violates EU law.
The court will simply have to set these provisions aside.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/1052/made