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FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by vboom » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:28 pm

Hi all,

I am currently on a Tier 2 intra company transfer visa looking to become a dependant on my partners ancestry visa for job flexibility in the UK. As far as I can tell we meet all the requirements and can provide all the relevant documentation but I am having trouble understanding the application process.
After searching it appears the application I need to use is the FLR (IR) but given it is a relatively new document I am struggling to find assistance regarding certain aspects.

1) How do you go about completing the form as a dependant only? Is there a way to distinguish that I am a joiner and not that both of us are applying from the start again?

2) As an extension to question 1 is the fee payable that of a single applicant or does it require the fee associated with a single applicant plus one dependant? The exact wording is "You may include your spouse, civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner and/or children under the age of 18 if they are applying as your dependants. However, they must pay the full specified fee if they apply separately."

Many thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by CR001 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:49 pm

1) How do you go about completing the form as a dependant only? Is there a way to distinguish that I am a joiner and not that both of us are applying from the start again?
You are the applicant, you complete the form with your details as the main applicant and tick the relevant box on page 13 and state the route you are appling under in the relevant box on page 14.

2) As an extension to question 1 is the fee payable that of a single applicant or does it require the fee associated with a single applicant plus one dependant? The exact wording is "You may include your spouse, civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner and/or children under the age of 18 if they are applying as your dependants. However, they must pay the full specified fee if they apply separately."
It does say MAY not MUST. If only you are applying, you pay the 'Single (no dependents)' application fee of £993 (postal) or £993 plus £590 for in person same day PLUS the Immigration health surhcharge.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by vboom » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:16 pm

Thank you CR001,

This is great news!

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by StewbobClark » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 pm

I was just wondering whether the advice presented by CR001 was correct?

When applying as a Dependant only, does the Dependant apply as the Applicant in Section 1 of FLR(IR)?

And therefore is Section 2 left blank?

Is the cost of this kind of application only £1033 (as of July 2018)?

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by CR001 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:02 pm

StewbobClark wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 pm
I was just wondering whether the advice presented by CR001 was correct?

When applying as a Dependant only, does the Dependant apply as the Applicant in Section 1 of FLR(IR)?

And therefore is Section 2 left blank?

Is the cost of this kind of application only £1033 (as of July 2018)?
Correct yes to your questions.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by StewbobClark » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:52 am

I have just made the online appointment for my wife at the Premium Service Centre in Birmingham as a Dependant Joiner (to my Ancestry Visa) on FLR(IR).

When I was redirected to the IHS payment page, I was only charged £200 whereas I thought I would be charged £1000 because my Ancestry Visa was just renewed last month and is valid for a full 5 years, so therefore my wife, as a Dependant Joiner, would also have the full 5 years and therefore would need to pay 5x £200.

I called the Home Office Call Centre to check and was told that I should cancel my appointment and re-book using the option "UK Ancestry" instead of "Dependant Joiner" when making the online appointment booking, but then was also told that when we fill in the paper Form and attend my wife's appointment, we should tick the box "Dependant Joiner".

Can we just make the additional IHS payment at the Premium Service Centre when we attend the appointment?

The Agent at the Home Office Call Centre also advised me that my wife would not be eligible to apply for ILR in 2 years when I am eligible because she is transferring from Tier 5 to UK Ancestry Dependant. The Agent advised she would need to complete her full 5 years as a UK Ancestry Dependant. Is this correct?

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by StewbobClark » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:21 pm

Just wanting to close off this thread and give some feedback on our experience and success in obtaining my wife's Dependant Visa on my Ancestry Visa.

I would recommend that anyone using the FLR(IR) application form to apply as a Dependant Joiner as the spouse of an Ancestry Visa holder, and applying using the Premium Service Centre option, that you first obtain an IHS number by registering and paying at https://www.immigration-health-surcharg ... ment/start.

This avoids the website re-direct that happens during the online application for the Visa / Premium Service Centre appointment, where you are re-directed from the Home Office's Immigration application process to the IHS payment process. It seems that these two databases are not linked correctly and you may be over- or under-charged for your IHS. So rather apply for your IHS number independently of the Visa / Premium Service Centre application.

Other than that, completing the FLR(IR) for my wife did feel a little strange, treating her as the Applicant and not actually mentioning my Ancestry Visa details anywhere in the application form. But that is clearly the correct process.

In Section 3 on Page 13, tick the box "Dependant joiners who are applying separately from the main applicant". On Page 14 I wrote a few lines to explain that I am the Ancestry Visa holder to whom my wife is married and on whom she was applying as a Dependant.

In Section 5 we included Finances of both of us, although we treated my wife as the Applicant and so her details were always first and she was treated as the "you" referred to in the application form.

We supplied all of the requested Documented Evidence in Section 9A and 9G for my wife and all of the Documented Evidence in Section 9C for myself (as the Ancestry Visa holder).

We had our appointment in Solihull at the Premium Service Centre. What an absolute pleasure. They're efficient, organised and friendly. Not to mention super, super helpful.

The interview was at 12pm. We were finished with the interview by 1pm and were told to wait around nearby until the decision had been made.

We enjoyed wandering the High Street and Touchwood Mall where we had lunch. We had a couple of phone calls during the afternoon from the Case Worker.

One to clarify some Financial details (evidence of sufficient income between the two of us).

Another to confirm that we had under-paid on the IHS fee and that they had sent us an email with an IHS Top-Up link. We received the email immediately, clicked the link using our mobile phone, and made the Top-Up payment. Within minutes we received another call from the Case Worker to confirm that the payment had been received.

Around 4pm we received a call from the Premium Service Centre to say that a decision had been made (though they wouldn't give the outcome over the phone). We immediately went back to the Premium Service Centre and my wife collected all the original Documented Evidence and the letter that confirmed the application had been successful!

The appointment was on a Friday. My wife's new BRP was received by secure Courier on the following Wednesday. Obviously her old BRP was retained by the Premium Service Centre at the appointment.

Very happy news all round! Her new Dependant BRP is valid for the exact same dates as my Ancestry BRP.

Thank you to CR001 for all her help on this Board.

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pm

Sorry mate, just a quick question please. I recently came over on an ancestry visa, have now secured job and own accommodation so ready to bring the family over, wife + 2 kids. I am struggling to find the correct forms to complete for my dependants. Please, please provide me with some guidance on this matter. I have been trawling the UKVI website for 2 days and am not sure which form to use, as there is no specific form for NOn-PBS dependants, so to speak.

Any assistance would be amazing

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by CR001 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:38 pm

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Sorry mate, just a quick question please. I recently came over on an ancestry visa, have now secured job and own accommodation so ready to bring the family over, wife + 2 kids. I am struggling to find the correct forms to complete for my dependants. Please, please provide me with some guidance on this matter. I have been trawling the UKVI website for 2 days and am not sure which form to use, as there is no specific form for NOn-PBS dependants, so to speak.

Any assistance would be amazing
Really?? It is a non PBS work visa category. Same as what you applied for except they choose dependents as the drop down option for sub category.

https://www.gov.uk/ancestry-visa/family-members
Dependants applying outside the UK
Your family members must apply online.

They’ll need to have their fingerprints and photograph (known as ‘biometric information’) taken at a visa application centre as part of their application.

They may be able to get their visa faster or other services depending on what country they’re in - check with the visa application centre.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:42 pm

I have been to that part of the website over and over again. If you continue that way, it takes you to a page where you register, which is fine, and then it asks you to choose the visa you want to apply for and there is no Ancestry dependent, Non PBS only has a handful of specific jobs, including sheep shearer and cabin crew, they are not on any PBS, I am not sponsoring them etc etc. So I am really confused as to what to do.

Thanks for the link though, but that's not helping. A friend that complete the same process used an NON PBS dependant form, which i really cannot locate.

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pm

Alright, I will try selecting dependant in the drop down - where exactly is the drop down menu sub category. Like how far into the form. I have just started another ancestry application and so far have not come across it? Yeah I am probably being really slow. Appreciated.

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by CR001 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:46 pm

mannyF wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:42 pm
I have been to that part of the website over and over again. If you continue that way, it takes you to a page where you register, which is fine, and then it asks you to choose the visa you want to apply for and there is no Ancestry dependent, Non PBS only has a handful of specific jobs, including sheep shearer and cabin crew, they are not on any PBS, I am not sponsoring them etc etc. So I am really confused as to what to do.

Thanks for the link though, but that's not helping. A friend that complete the same process used an NON PBS dependant form, which i really cannot locate.
So what options are you given in the 3 drop down menus?? We don't have access to the online forms as would have to register for each form query members post.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by CR001 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:47 pm

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pm
Alright, I will try selecting dependant in the drop down - where exactly is the drop down menu sub category. Like how far into the form. I have just started another ancestry application and so far have not come across it? Yeah I am probably being really slow. Appreciated.
Once you register and complete the personal details it should give the menus towards the bottom
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:58 pm

So I have started a new application, I registered my son's details, i.e. applying for someone else. I ignored the part where it wanted me to use a link to go to a new and improved website.

So the drop down menus: Reason for visit, Visa Type, Visa sub type

I have selected: Work ------ NPB Working Visa ------the sub-type button is STUCK, no drop down menu appearing and I am sure this is where Dependant would be located!!!

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:00 pm

And the reason for that is that it probably wants me to use the new forms & system

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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:07 pm

So I have clicked on the link to the 'new' system, visa type, again I have located non-PBS which is great....it the n takes me to a page and asks which type of non-PBS and the ONLY options are:
an airline employee
an offshore worker
a representative of an overseas business
a sheep shearer
Non-EEA or Swiss nationals working for Swiss employers (Swiss posted worker)
a Turkish businessperson or worker (for employment or self-employment)
Non-EEA nationals working for EU employers (Van der Elst worker)

Alternatively, should I go and apply for ancestry visa and hope there is a part where dependants can apply? WHat are your thoughts?

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Post by CR001 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:13 pm

mannyF wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:07 pm
So I have clicked on the link to the 'new' system, visa type, again I have located non-PBS which is great....it the n takes me to a page and asks which type of non-PBS and the ONLY options are:
an airline employee
an offshore worker
a representative of an overseas business
a sheep shearer
Non-EEA or Swiss nationals working for Swiss employers (Swiss posted worker)
a Turkish businessperson or worker (for employment or self-employment)
Non-EEA nationals working for EU employers (Van der Elst worker)

Alternatively, should I go and apply for ancestry visa and hope there is a part where dependants can apply? WHat are your thoughts?
Yes. You should get ancestry or work and then work or ancestry and then dependent ancestry or dependent other.
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Re: FLR (IR) ancestry dependant application

Post by mannyF » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:02 am

Thank you very much. In case that doesnt work, is there a number I can call the HO on to enquire. I tried UKVI today and they are useless.

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